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Snorlax: Low IV, high CP - please explain

Tonight I caught a cp 2624 Snorlax with Lick/Hyper Beam. Great moveset and the highest level Snorlax I've caught in the wild. My question is this:

Is a low IV Snorlax just a weaker version of the same Snorlax (identical moveset) at the identical level?

In other words... is a level 30 low IV snorlax just a Snorlax that perfoms as a Snorlax at a lower level? Relatively speaking?

I'm assuming my high CP, L/HB Snorlax is just as good as the same Snorlax with higher IVs a few levels below it. Correct or do low IVs have other adverse affects beyond it's overall CP at a given level.

Sorry to keep reiterating myself, just trying to find the best way to articulate my question.

Edit: His IV was around 21%

Asked by Mooncusser8 years 3 months ago
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Is a low IV Snorlax just a weaker version of the same Snorlax (identical moveset) at the identical level?
In other words... is a level 30 low IV snorlax just a Snorlax that perfoms as a Snorlax at a lower level? Relatively speaking?

This is the correct way of thinking. I'll give you a bit theoretical background in short. The longer version is found here:
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon-stats-advanced

Combat behaviour and CPs are determined by three stats: ATT (attack), DEF (defense) and STA (stamina). They are calculated in a very similar way as follows:

ATT=(Base_ATT+IV_ATT) x level_multiplier
DEF=(Base_DEF+IV_DEF) x level_multiplier
STA=(Base_STA+IV_STA) x level_multiplier

as you can see, a higher level_multiplier can compensate a low IV somehow.

In practical view, your snorlax as it is will be a wonderfull defender, sitting in the upper flours and defend pretty good.

If you want to use it as an attacker, you could think about leveling it to level 30 at least, as every point of ATT, DEF, STA helps you to get faster wins or more resiliance and thus, possibly killing more defenders with this one attacker.

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[ATK * sqr(DEF) * sqr(STA) * CPM^2]/10

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by noxify 8 years 3 months ago

Congratulations on catching a Snorlax with the best attacking moveset. It's always a letdown to catch such high CP beast and then discover that its IVs are way below par. Having caught three lvl 25 mons (11% ZH/BS Snorlax, 22% DB/HB Dragonite and 33% IS/IB Lapras) with great movesets, I feel your pain. If only their IVs were better, they'd be pure gems.

Your Snorlax will probably do just fine as it is. Personally I never power up attackers further than 30, and I wouldn't use a Lick-Snorlax for defense anyway. If you already don't have better attackers, you'll eventually get better ones and this one will probably be gathering dust. Personally I'd keep him around for attacking Exeggutors/Slowbros/Lapras.

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by Haay 8 years 3 months ago

Given the choice I'd rather have an average (IV) Pokémon with the best move set, than a (near) perfect IV Pokémon with the worst move set.

For example, I had a 98% Cloyster with Icy Shard + Icy Wind. Despite it being near perfect in IV values, I won't be using it because the moves are crappy.

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Can't argue with that. Most of my top mons are caught at high level with IVs in the 60's or 70's and evolved with the best moveset. Since that means I'm sitting at almost 1 million stardust at lvl 30, I even spent some of it to power them up to lvl 30 as well.

Good IVs and moveset together is a rare treat, and well worth the wait IMO :) Sadly it means you'll often see a lot of wasted potential, like this one, before that happens.

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See with your own eyes, I do not care about the IV anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43Iiu7-PTo

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You'll notice that the one with bad IVs is 2 levels higher than the one with good IVs and comparable CP, and 200 CP less than the one with good IVs at the same level. Also Snorlax's base stats are already some of the highest to begin with, so it is harder to see the difference between them. Good IVs are more important for pokemon that don't have as good base stats.

At Lv30+, the difference between 0% and 100% IVs for most pokemon is about 300 CP, which can mean a lot for a gym defender's placement. For some pokemon, it is the difference between being an interesting usable defender and trash.

For attackers, yeah it doesn't matter as much. Snorlax with Lick is a horrible defender anyway, so its IVs aren't too important. Good attacker if you don't have something better with a type advantage.

A Lv30 Snorlax with 0% IVs is approximately equivalent to a Lv27 Snorlax with 100% IVs.

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Iv's are bit more important on defender Snorlax because Rhydon and Gyrados basically have the same max CP. I think comparing the difference to other snorlax isnt as useful as what snorlax is competing against in gyms. Most likley those other mons will have high IV's as well.

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Just wanted to thank you guys for taking the time to answer my question. I suspected as much, but now thanks to the answers I have some facts instead of hunches.

For what it's worth I also have a lick/body slam (at about 72%) and a zen headbut/hyper beam (at about 81%). I'm currently grinding my ZH/HB up to level 30...he's 25.5 now. I have 8 snorlaxes (found 7 in the wild). I got super lucky with 3 of them (the three mentioned in this post). Dratini are rare here and I managed to make two Dragonites. I forget the movesets, but they are sub-optimal and near the bottom tier. I think my best is SW/DC and he is about cp3060. He is sadly my prestige mon. I'm hoping to get my ZH/HB snorlax up to lvl 30.

On an unrelated question, I see L/HB, L/BS, and ZH/HB all being rated A for attack. I find it odd that such a slow moveset (ZH/HB) is rated as high as L/BS (so fast and nimble) and L/HB. I guess it has more to do with how you use them as attackers? ZH/HB is a beast, but he takes some sloppy hits due to his big fat sleepy lethargy (slow moveset). That or I'm just not as quick with him as I should be.

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Of all the mons, I truly believe that IV stats do not matter whatsoever with Snorlax. His base stats more than compensate for any IV nitpicking. I have Snorlax ranging from 20%-90% and they all perform admirably, whether on offense or defense.

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