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Hi guys! Got 2 questions, one being typical boring "should I/would you" and the other... Well, anyways.
Looooong time ago I caught a wild Snorlax. It was only 441 CP (lvl 5), but hey, I got a Snorlax. I accepted the fact that I will never use it. Then they introduced the appraise feature which only strengthened my attitude (above average). But then I got to know the game mechanics better and stuff plus I got more into it and discovered that my Snorlax is actually 15/14/0. Did more "research" and found out that in the max probable level I might reach (30, currently being 26) it would mean my Snorlax would have only 11 HP less than the 15 IV one. So, is he worth the investment? It's the only one I've ever encountered and last time I got 10km egg is like 2 months ago so... Is 11 hp difference (not even on my current level but in a futuristic point of view) really that big?
But that leads us to another question, which crossed my mind when I was checking some details on the Snorlax. The silphroad says that lvl 40 Snorlax with 15 stamina IV would actually have 264 HP while it base stamina stat is 320. I always thought that the stamina stat means Pokemon's stamina with perfect IV and max level. Doesn't it? Or it's a bug on the Silphroad? If it doesn't what does it actually mean?

P.S. I should probably say that it's ZH/BS Snorlax, so... yea.
P.S.2 Sorry for any mistakes I made, I'm not really a native speaker...

Asked by EustachyVidelec8 years 4 months ago
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HP = stamina x CPM

CPM is the CP multiplier stat which is based on Pokemon level, and at level 40 is 0.8 I believe, i.e. a level 40 Pokemon's actual HP should be 80% of it's stamina, so the difference of 15 stamina IV at max level would be 80% of 15, which is 12.

CPM is the same for all Pokemon of the same level, so it's 12 HP for all level 40 Pokemon.

On Snorlax this difference of HP would be one of the least useful in terms of relative increased time before fainting, due to Snorlax's already high HP, while the two stats that it's lower in, would benefit it more.

As for powering it up, save your candies until you have enough to power it up to where it'll be usable for your own situation. You don't want to power it up half way and on the off chance find a Snorlax that has higher CP and an equally useful moveset, because then the candies you spent powering up the first Snorlax half-way would be better used on your new one.

But once you have enough, it's worth powering - think of all the hoops you need to jump through to get a better Snorlax, all for a fucking 12 HP increase at most.

It has to have better IVs, and even though it's total IVs aren't high yours has the best distribution with what it's got, an equally good moveset since yours is the best at defending (which is 1 in 6 or 1 in 3 depending on your opinion of Hyper Beam), plus there's finding the Snorlax in the first place, whether that's in the wild (which will reduce your odds of getting one with better IVs), or from an egg, which requires you to find a 10k egg first, and that'll take longer depending on how fast you can clear your eggs.

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You have to power it up to level 42 to get a 0.8 CPM, that is impossible.

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So the CPM multiplier is 0.79 instead of 0.8 which results in the same value - 12 HP. I did say "I believe" not "it is 0.8".

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Thank ALL of you guys for your anwers, I appreciate it, but won't spam under every comment everyone made ;)
But what do you mean when you talk about powering up to level 42? It is not possible and probably will never be, right? It is just come kind of an algorithm or other mathematical stuff to show how fast the multiplier does grow in accordance to a trainer level, right? If so, are u familiar with any reasons to set the formula this way? I mean, why cant base stamina stat be just the HP of a maxed out perfect stamina Pokemon? Or at least a nice looking rounded 0,8? Is it neccesary for some balance reasons or it's pretty random?

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Maybe they plan on increasing the level cap. I don't play ingress but that's supposedly what happened to that game too.

I don't know why they made the CPM formula the way they did.

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It's not just a question of the pokemon's max HP, as the IV% also affects the maximum CP a pokemon can obtain. Your pokemon's IV% is around 65%, so to be honest I wouldn't spend candy / dust to power him up, despite the fact that Snorlax is very rare to obtain.

If you're not worried about finding high IV pokemon, you're more than welcome to power this Snorlax up, but the IV% isn't very good, and the maximum CP is going to be a lot lower than its potential. For what it's worth, ZH / BS is the best moveset for gym defense, but this pokemon is going to be lackluster in terms of CP compared to other higher quality Snorlax.

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It's a difference of 72 CP at 30 and 84 at 40 compared to a 45/45 IV one. That is nothing. It's a Snorlax so it's still going to sit higher than most defenders.

Stamina being Snorlax's highest stat also makes the relative difference of stamina IV the least impactful on CP compared to defence or attack.

One spot in a gym is not going to be the difference between it being kicked out or not because someone who has the time to take down a high level gym is going to take down the entire gym and not just leave the last 1-2 Pokemon in it.

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And how often does that happen? And even if it does, how often does it happen that it actually makes a difference - as in the Pokemon above doesn't get kicked out and the gym gets trained back to level 10 or whatever level it was before.

As long as you're not at the bottom of the level 10 gym which only takes 1 won battle to reduce it to below 50k prestige and be kicked out, it most likely doesn't matter.

Not enough times to wait for a one in fucking billion or whatever it is for a Snorlax with better IVs and ZH/BS when those IVs will not make a significant difference in 99% of situations.

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The way I typically deal with these situations is to wait until I have all the candy I want to power it up to the level I want. If, in the process of getting the candy I don't find a better one, I go to town once I get the candy.

Most times though, I end up finding a better one and the low CP ones keep taking a back seat...

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A lot of people will tell you to wait for a better one. Chances are the "better" one will have like 30 more cp(80ish IV from egg) and a mismatched moveset....and take weeks/months.

If you find a good one later, awesome! You will have two.

Solid advice to hold off till you have the candy though.

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Dont listen IV fanatics, its great snorlax.

Just collect candys and dust and wait for better one and when you have enough resources to power this one nearly up to your level, then go ahead if you havent found better one.

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I would say power it up, of course. Don't even need to wait for all candy. Cause if you find better one, which is unlikely, considering probability of getting best moveset AND high IV, i wouldn't count on that, you would still want both of them powered. 2 Snorlax is better than one indeed :)

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I can't believe anyone would tell you to power this Snorlax up. Level 5 to mid-level 20 to 30 is a huge candy requirement which I'm guessing you do not have enough for. How badly do you really need a high CP Snorlax at this very moment. No matter how unlikely it may seem you will find a higher level Snorlax.

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Maybe in some areas, but wife played since Jul and still 0 usable "higher level" snorlax yet...

I started a little later and still 0 usable Snorlax (got a lvl 1 Snorlax though)...

The best advice here is save the candies, power up when you have enough if you don't get another, and have fun...Snorlax still sits above tons of other mons and is a much better defender than that Rhydon guy who has similar CP now.

Also, taking a low level mon to 20 from 1 isn't that bad I don't think candy wise...Huge jump in power and until you get to 4 candies, it's still pretty quick relatively speaking.

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Collect enough candies to get it to a decent level where it will be truly usable (25?) the power-up in one go. If you haven't found one with a better moveset and higher level by the time you've collected those candies go for it. The IVs are perfectly good enough if you don't find one that's better in all aspects.

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