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Snorlax, 14-12-5, Zen-Body

I still dont have a good IV Snorlax, albeit I just hit Lvl 33. This is my best one, considering the combination of IV and moveset. Its Lvl 12, so its gonna take a while with my only 32 Candy left, but I dont really mind about that, because I'm having big hopes on a christmas event. Sure as hell, I would walk for 60-100 Candy in a few days.
If it wouldnt be a Snorlax, where HP are presumably the most important stat, I would power it up in an eyeblink, but I wonder, if only 5 IV on HP in comparision to maybe 12 from a hatched are really hurting. It would have ~80 CP less, then a Snorlax with 100% IV at Lvl 40, so I think, thats also not the issue here.

What do you think guys? Go for it or chill and be patient? I dont really have any hope for a good Snorlax out from an egg and since I want him as a defender, there is only a 1/3 chance to get an equivalent moveset (Hyper would satisfy me too of course).

Edit: Thank you so much for all your knowledge and very helpful answers! Glad, this community is the way it is :)

Asked by Ripperli8 years 4 months ago

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Mine has 15-6-15 with same move set and i would rather have 15-15-6 if i could choose.

I would be rlly happy if i would get your Snorlax for my collection, it would become my 2nd best defender.
(my 15-6-15 is always my number one baby)

Snorlax is pretty damn rare, i only seen one wild since the game was launched, but i got 2 from eggs and 1 from lure, so i been pretty lucky.

Just pretty hard to keep many Snorlax fully powered.
One is fully powered 3000+ (L+BS)
One needs 2 power ups and then it is 3000+ (ZH+BS)
One is only 2400cp and need many power ups and can only reach 2900+ for my current level. (bad IV) (L+BS)
One Snorlax was 300cp and i made burgers out of it...i mean....sent it to the professor ofc ^_^
(game didnt have buddy system back then)

You can walk candys for it, but dont power up until you can power it up to max level.
You might find better one while collecting candys, if you lucky.

Yeah, I also have another one with 2,6k Zen/Hyper and 44% IV, but I think, I won't max this one out anyway.
I have several friends with my acc data, so they catch some rare mons for me aswell (just after I wrote the post I got a new one, so now 35 Candy ^.^), so as time goes by, I will get some additional candy anyway. :)

Idk, if 15-6-15 isnt maybe better, since HP get doubled as a Defender. 6 IV would be like 12 or 14 HP less compared to 15, which might be noticable. (Same with 5 to 12 IV for me so.)
So you think, I should go for it then, right?

I personally would not make any big moves until after the New Year, who knows what the Special might be .... extra candy? more 10-K eggs? If you do end up walking a ton maybe you would luck out with a 10K egg lvl 20 Snorlax that you can then choose to power up instead. If that doesn't pan out then for sure go with this guy (and by then you might have a LOT more candy..). Shouldn't be a problem to wait a few more weeks.

Hm, I dont know, if I have the patience for this. xD
If I hatch one, it probably wont hurt to have 2 strong Snorlax. And as I mentioned, a hatched one doesnt guarantee me a good defensive moveset...

Ok, but basically you're saying, it is worth powering, I'm glad to hear that.

It's just that Snorlax candy is so rare for me (I have Lapras as buddy now and next up is Dratini before I can circle back to Snorlax). Sure it'd be awesome to have 2 fully powered good defensive Snorlax, but other mons need some lovin' too... You're correct, I absolutely agree he's worth powering, just the timing issue I'm questioning.

Snorlax already has incredibly high base stamina, so its stamina IV has less of an impact than its attack and defense IVs do.

Is the influence of IV depending on the base stats? If its always the same amount of points at the same level, than this is an interesting fact, I should take into my considerations.

Yes, the influence of IV depends on how high or low a Pokemon's base stats are. IVs are more important on lower stats, rather than higher ones, because it's the relative increase that matters.

For example on Chansey who has a very low base attack of 60, 15 attack IV results in a 25% increase in base attack (60+15)/60 = 1.25, which results in a 25% increase in CP.

However on a Dragonite, 15 attack IV only results in a relative 5.7% increase in attack and therefore a 5.7% increase in CP, because Dragonite's attack is already high at 263. (263+15)/263 = 1.057

Even though attack does get weighted more in the CP calculation, it is possible for high attack Pokemon to gain more CP from 15 stamina or defence IV than they would from 15 attack IV, if their stamina / defence is low enough. Alakazam is a good example.

If it helps, think of IVs as a way to offset the weaknesses of your Pokemon, although only in a very small way. It's more effective to reduce a Pokemon's weaknesses than to increase it's strengths.

HP IV is the least important stat on a Snorlax, because it has such high stamina already. Adding stamina results in a linear increase in HP - 15 extra stamina results in the same increase on any Pokemon, as long as they are the same level.

This makes it more useful on Pokemon with lower HP, because the relative increase is larger.

For example take Alakazam who only has 110 stamina. Increasing it to 125 is a ~14% increase in HP and therefore should result in about ~14% more time spent dealing damage before it faints, while for Snorlax who has 320 stamina, a 15 increase is only a ~5% increase in survivability.

The difference of 10 stamina (5 stamina IV and 15) depends on your level of your Pokemon, as level affects CPM, and HP is equal to stamina x CPM, but for a maxed out Snorlax (or any Pokemon), the difference would only be 8 HP, and only 7 HP at level 30, which isn't much when a Snorlax will have about 200 HP at that point.

32 candies will take it to level 20, the exact amount of candies you have right now, and 98 candies is required to take it to 30.

On the astronomically low chance that you do get a ZH/BS Snorlax from a 10k egg and it also has a better IV distribution than your current one - attack and defence IVs are more valuable on Snorlax than stamina - hold onto your candies until you have enough to power it up to the level that you want it to be at.

But once you do have enough candies, it is definitely worth powering up, don't bother about what-ifs. Even if you do end up finding another ZH/BS Snorlax right after you've powered up this one, the difference is minor, and the investment on this one isn't wasted, because it's still able to hold gyms.

Your current Snorlax isn't going to be sitting at the bottom of gyms with it's IVs, it'll be like the difference between sitting at the top or second spot, which shouldn't matter. Someone who has time to take down a gym 9 levels has enough time to take down the last Pokemon too.

This
"hold onto your candies until you have enough to power it up to the level that you want"

And this
"But once you do have enough candies, it is definitely worth powering up"

And also everything this guy says xD

where are these "wait for one with better IVs" circlejerkers at

Thank you sooo much for this superdetailed answer, that gave me the last push, so I will definitely power it up now. I feel a lot better with it now. :)

I agree with this except for one point. Snorlax is, at the moment, the best defender. As a defender the key point is to have high HP as you gain double HP in defence.

The longer the Snorlax is in the gym the harder it is to take down, pretty plain and simple.

Except that defence is also a factor in determining survivability, and that is the stat that Snorlax lacks. Snorlax has enough HP to take multiple charge move hits where the defence IV can actually make a difference in damage taken unlike lower base damage quick moves due to rounding, and that makes up for the HP.

Despite health being doubled in defence, the relative difference is constant and that's what's important.

The same applies to Chansey but more exaggerated, so it's easier to explain. Chansey has much lower defence compared to stamina that a high defence IV would reduce more damage than the HP you'd gain from a high stamina IV, resulting in more effective health.

I understand your point, a 7.895% increase on defence vs a 4.6875% increase on health is better for surviveability.

It is annoyingly deceptive as the health increase in gym seems so much more beneficial, it helps with energy gain and it just seems, surely, to be better since it is doubling health gained.

I would personally work (walk) to power it up.
It has the best moveset and 66,7 iv is 2/3 more than average. Considering how rare it, it would be a treasure.
Sure it's a nice idea to be patient and see what happens with events.

I have a lev 20 (hatched) with 10-10-12 with ZenH/HyperB and I'm walking to get the 66 candies.
Still I'd say yours>mine^

I'd love a high powered ZenH/Body Snorlax...
I have one: level 5 IV: 1-13-0
I might push this one to lev 30 one day ;''-D

I'm with the rest of the bunch here, power him up as soon as you have enough candy to make him lvl 30. I think this thread is a relevant question for everyone who still hasn't hatched a Snorlax with a good defensive moveset. I have caught 3 Snorlax with ZH/BS in the wild, and androgynous' explanation was really helpful for me. I think I'll want to power one of them up. Their stats and cost to power up to 30 are as follows:

lvl 25 - 2114cp - 1/0/4 - 11% - 39 candy - 2537cp
lvl 20 - 1833cp - 15/5/2 - 49% - 68 candy - 2750cp
lvl 10 - 933cp - 15/8/9 - 71% - 107 candy - 2801cp

I'm at 900k+ stardust and 79 candies now after lots of walking with Snorlax during the Halloween event. Which one would you guys suggest I power up? I'm slightly leaning towards #2, as his attack IV makes sure he doesn't lose too much cp compared to #3.

Hm, it depends on your willingness to give up 40 Candy for 3 Def and 7 HP IV ;)
Idk, if you plan to bring it past 30, as soon as you get enough candy, if so, I would still go for No3. The CP difference is not really important anyway, 50 CP is a difference of maybe 2 spots, but I would like to have as many Def IV as possible. And if that also comes with around 10 more HP in a gym, sure why not.

Thanks for your insight. Initially I only wanted to bring it to lvl 30, as I'd prefer IVs better than 71% in order to justify the high candy investment of boosting a pokemon past 30 anyway. As such, I'd rather save the excess candy in case I hatch a better Snorlax later. Considering a 2700+ Snorlax is already a pesky defender already, I'd be ok with keeping it at 30.

I guess I'll have to do a calculation based on what people will attack a Snorlax with to see if it's worth getting the extra defense IVs. 200 Defense seems like a sweetspot for a sturdy pokemon and it might tip the scales in cases where the Snorlax is attacked by high damage output moves like Hydropump.

I'm definately torn between the two, and like you say, it really matters a lot more if I want to bring it past 30.

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