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Should they do something about Vaporeon?

Today I leveled up a gym to lv9. I'm lv28 and powered up my Slowpoke to the max CP of 2076, left him in the gym and it was below 4 vaporeons of players with lower level than mine. Snorlaxes and Dragonites are rare at least, so the high CP it's OK, but almost every player can get a Vaporeon with high CP, even with a low level, cause eevee are so common. So you work hard to get candies and evolve a good pokémon, and it ends with a bunch o Vaporeons above him. And the players keep putting the Vaporeon 'cause they won't be KOed first. I do have good Vaporeons to put in the gyms and stay above those players, but I think this game is not about putting a thousand Vaporeons in all the gyms. This is not balance or variety in the gyms.

Asked by ArthurA5N8 years 5 months ago

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I think it is good that casual, lower-level players can get at least one elite pokemon fairly easily, although I agree with your ethic of having more variety in gyms. I have plenty of Vaporeons that make pretty good defenders, but if a gym already has a couple of them, I try to put in something else.

On the bright side, the preponderance of Vaporeons makes my grass pokemon some of my most-used and favorite team members.

I feel like people totally forgot that Vaporeon was a great Pokemon in the original games. It has always had semi-elite stats. It is good that mid-tier players can get access to a competitive pokemon.

No, nothing needs to be done about Vaporeon. Invest in grass/electric types.

I agree. Without vaporeon, most casual players won't stand a chance against hardcore players, botters and spoofers. It's one of their main chances of competing and getting coins. Niantic would lose players if they change vaporeon.

All they should really do is just change gym placement to Pokemon level instead of CP. In 1 fell swoop, people will now put better stuff I'd think or things they really like since their mon is higher level.

Yes, someone with a level 39 magikarp can still sit at the top of a gym, but that's far better than seeing the same 5 pokemon currently in gyms and things like Dragonite/Rhydon/etc...which are pretty weak defenders.

Although basing gym hierarchy on level seems appealing, that would leave it to lvl 30+ players on top...just imagine lv40 players always just sitting on top because they can power up their mons to max.

I would prefer, 1st in - last out system. If you're the first to knock down a gym and put your mon, you get to be on top...last one in gets the bottom floor.

With this kind of system, I think a lot of people would give up on powering up defenders or prestiging gyms. Also, it seems like the strongest Pokemon should be the gym leader. I like the idea of highest level Pokemon getting the highest spot.

I think the hierarchy should be hard on prestige contributed. Gives you a reason to keep training a lvl 10 gym too

I think level it's not a good parameter, just like CP. They could create a new parameter, like Defense Power, giving more weight for Defense and HP on the formula.

I don't have any problem to beat Vaporeons at gyms, Jolteons and grasses can do it well.
I did not forget Vaporeon was good on original games, it is one of my fav pokés, but the semi-elite stats should put Vaporeon in a semi-elite tier, not above Lapras like we can see with the new CPs, and soo far from any other water pokémon.
Sorry if it sounded like I was wishing for the exclusion of lower-level players (than mine), that's not my opinion. I agree that every player, lower and higher level, has to get access to competitive, but not this way, always with the same pokémon being above pokémons that are so much harder to get and power up, with more chance of a good moveset.
In PoGo it's so easy to get a good Vaporeon cause there's eevees everywhere (should be rare IMO), so there's eevees to evolve with only 25 candies and a lot of candies to power up. And with the CP order for gyms, the players keep filling the gyms with the same poké looking for a later KO.
Seems like there's no reason to use another water poké defending gyms (RIP Blastoise) T_T
I'm not one of this hater ones, talking "all that Niantic do is crap", I really hope this game to improve and i think it starts with better balance.
Thanks for the answers guys, and sorry if my english isn't so good, it's not my 1st language :)

So it seems from the discussion that people would prefer not to weaken Vaporeon. Then the solution it seems is what Niantic is already doing: buffing up the other mons. These days I see way more Rhydons and Gyarados in gyms.

I'd love for them to further balance out the field by making Blastoise, Venusaur, and Charizard stronger. They're way tougher to catch, and you need 125 candies to evolve them (5x the candies for Eevees!!!), then when you finally have them, they're much weaker than easily-obtainable mons? Makes no sense

It was just like this before the change, except the gyms were full of Arcanines instead of Vaporeons, at least around my area. And the Arcanines were probably less deserving of the top spots than Vaporeons because their defense is so much weaker.

Often i read the suggestion to allow only one PKM per type as gym-defender. I think, this would be a really good thing. Players were forced to think of multiple defenders.

I go one step further: There should be only one PKM per type in each attacking team.

This would not weeken Vaporeon, but people maybe would not have 10 or more of this beast as a generalist weapon for attack and defense.