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Should Niantic Introduce In Game Clan/Messaging Systems?

I've heard wonderful stories about Facebook and Discord groups coming together and working together very well. I have also heard terrible stories of communities that bully each other. Mine is one of those terrible stories.

We had a large Facebook Group of about 900 people and a Discord of about 600 people. From what I understand one day someone decided to make a another Facebook Group because the main one just got to big and they wanted to communicate more with some of their friends. This caused outrage with the admins and they started to ban people. One of the admins lost his cool and deleted the Facebook and Discord groups.

Now my town is in like a "civil war" 4 admins with 4 groups are competing to be the most "relevant?" Every time we meet up someone will ask what group we are in and if we aren't in the same group we have to leave and join theirs or we can raid with them. Last raid I went to was coordinated in one of these groups. There was a kid idk around 12 that showed up and one of the admins asked if he was in the group. The kid stated no because his mom won't allow him to Download anymore apps. The Admin stated he couldn't raid with us and he needed to find another group. I stepped in and said "bull crap dude he is going to raid with us." I got him in and like clock work when I left I notice I was removed from the group.

I know this isn't what Niantic intended but this is what is happening. I know this isn't Niatnics fault either but I feel like the only way to calm this down is with Niatnics help. 90% of us are over this drama with the admins but we don't have the time to make and monitor our own groups against these 22 year old key board warriors with no job and live with their parents. I think what would help is if Niantic had an ingame chat system. Kind of like World of Warcraft has trade/general chat we could have the same thing. We can look at for example Casa Grande and see if anyone wants to raid that area or check to see if anyone wants to trade in that area and only Casa Grande trainers who are in that channel would see it.

Idk what can fix this Game of Thrones in my town but it is in a terrible state of affairs.

Asked by SayNoToValor6 years 8 months ago
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Regardless of petty admin dickwaving from local groups, a game like this desperately needs some form of in-game communication. Given their added emphasis on socializing via trading you'd think a chat system would be in the pipeline somewhere, even if it's just sending simple, pre-made messages to nearby players (shout-outs asking for raid help, trade requests, battle requests should PvP be introduced).

Obviously they can't stop groups from forming on their own via social media, but a chat system - even a simple one - is something that would make sense for a game like PoGo to have.

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An in-game chat system is absolutely necessary in my mind, and I think the idea of keeping it to canned messages as opposed to allowing players to write their own would be a good way to circumvent the need for moderation. There's not much variety in-game to what you would want to convey to other players anyway.

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No, because you will barely get any moderation and i hate getting pm harassed by anyone who i would make an enemy of when i am trying to just walk around. I have enough enemies on reddit and here that everyday internet conversation becomes a pain that makes me paranoid.

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Maybe stop making enemies?

Anyways, any in-game communication would have to come with an option to block certain users from writing to you. There, end of your particular problem.

Having said that, I'd only want an in-game communication system if you could only send pre-written phrases like in the main games.

Things like: "Let's raid" or "Join me here" or "Spaces available" followed by an icon that would lead to a gym in-game so you could know which one they are referring to.

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Stop being negative and good things will follow.

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No and hell no. For whatever reason, this game brings out the worst in people. I'd be fine with the game letting you send game-generated raid invitations to people in your friends list and they being able to accept or decline. But adding some sort of unmoderated messenger to this game would be a disaster

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What if it was moderated? There are a lot of online games that moderate for profanity, harassment ext. Also i'm sure there will be Silencing/blocking of these people to. I would absolutely love to be able to message some people on my friends list I forgot who some of them are but now that we are Ultra Friends I would like to try to raid with them for those bonuses.

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Niantic isn't the best group for chat moderation after all. If it were a thing it's no way in hell for me because i already have enough enemies.

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by TTT 6 years 8 months ago

Honestly can't understand how these groups act like this...

You don't need admins for a Pokemon group. You get a discord app, people report raids and rare spawns, and you show up.

This is not a competitive game. You don't lose anything by other players being strong too. It's not like those mobile games where you get free rewards for being a top ranked player or in a top ranked guild/clan at the end of each week. If it was I'd understand this mindset. It's not though - so everyone should be working together.

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Turbo nerds with very little going on in their lives need something to feel important about. What's a hobby for us is something for admin-types to lord over everyone else. That's what I love about my WhatsApp raid group - it's all raid/research callouts and general chat among friends, which is all it should be.

And good lord, it's nothing like that other thread where someone mentioned their admins brought fucking sign-in sheets to EX raids. I'm not normally one for sabotage but that shit would make me want to throw their phones in a lake.

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Sign in sheet?? Dude that's nothing! In my town we had an ex raid 2 weeks ago in our city park. The admins pooled money together to get a City Permit to close the park off with a fence! One of the admins parents worked at a fence company and was allowed to use their equipment to fence off the area. There was one opening were the admins had a list of people that could raid there and a list of people who couldn't. It didn't work tho people pushed the one fence over lobbied in than ran before the cops showed up.

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I sincerely hope this is a fabricated story because that's abhorrently elitist. Not to mention a terrible waste of money for everyone involved. Why bother with all that noise when the whole thing will be said and done in a matter of minutes?

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Thats what I mean A discord that is controlled by Niantic but not a local admin. We used to have a discord till someones ego deleted it and now there is a lot of discords out there.

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I am glad my city dont have this problem.
Many group here some cross member also.
There are some jerk off course and some drama, but not escalating to ban people from raid together.
Some "war" between legit vs spoofers happened here, but not really within legit trainers with that scale of drama.

Either i move to other area, or i will ask some reasonable and strong player to make a small group. If you can raid T5 with 3-5 trainers for a start,that is good enough. Other trainers will know eventually and some of them will ask to join your group.
Just dont be like the old admin then if that's happen
Your gym coins will get worst depend on how other group react for it. But that is the price to pay..

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My natural reaction to an idea like this is "YES!". I'd love to have an ingame message system. I play with quite a few players (not even close to the numbers mentioned, but still about 100 people in total I think) and it would be great to have another way than just FB, Messenger and Discord to talk to them.

But then I read about stuff like the thing you mention and unfortunately I have to change my answer to "No, let's not have an ingame message system".

I'm not going to pretend that there's never been any "drama" where I play, but I think that only one person has been kicked out from our group. Other than that we have a fairly friendly attitude, even when we don't agree with eachother.

To tell a kid that he can't raid with you because he's not part of the group is a fucking cuntish thing to do. That admin should lose his rights and be kicked out.
Even if it was an adult who wanted to play he/she should still be allowed to play. The more the merrier.
Helping kids with this game should be worth more than "only raid with your group". If not, you are not a nice person.
Good that you stepped up and took a stand. Too bad it got you kicked out.

As for handing a message system in the game, I'm sure Niantic has thought about it, but seeing just how much shit people can write to eachother online Niantic would have to hire more people to handle all the moderating. Not only that, Niantic would also probably have to try and add something in the rules to make sure that they won't be held responsible for anything, even if they are moderating.
And will they keep track of everything people write so as to be able to punish stuff like swearing etc. or will they just handle things that are flagged?
In short, there's probably too much work to add a functioning message system.

So we will probably have to keep relying on Messenger, Discord, FB etc.
Unfortunately I know that there are kids who aren't allowed to use such things and that really makes things harder for them when it comes to finding raids etc.

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I feel like this is an argument more towards premade, short messages you can send to nearby trainers rather than a full-blown chat log. There's really not much you'd need to convey to another player in game.

People will still be dicks to one another IRL, I'm just proposing this as an alternative to keep the salt directly out of the game.

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by hkn 6 years 8 months ago

Niantic is pushing its social vision for the game without providing proper social features. There are jerks in every community, but in-game communication would make them easier to detect and deal with than privately managed Discord groups.

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