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Should I TM a B/HP Lvl 39 Gary for B/C?

I have a 96 B/HP lvl 39 Garayados, and I'm considering using a TM for B/C.

I barely failed to solo an Alakazam with PC/FS, so now I am reassessing my options. I think a lvl 39 B/C Gary would be a good addition to my Alakazam raid squad (especially against FB), without having to invest any stardust.

Is there any use for a B/HP moveset? Would people recommend using the TM?

For the record, my Alakazam squad was:

-Gengar 82: SC/SB, lvl 30
-Tyrannitar 89: B/C, lvl 31.5
-Tyrannitar 91: B/SE, lvl 30
-Scizor 91: FC/XS, lvl 30
-Dragonite 91: DT/O, lvl 39
-Dragonite 62: DB/H, lvl 39

Asked by SerChris7 years 11 months ago
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What about trying to max your B/SE or B/C Tyranitar? That is what I am doing right now in an attempt to improve my solo game against Zam, since T-tar is incredibly useful as a generalist and as a counter to future legendaries. I don't think TMing the Gary is the worst idea, but his Hydro Pump is monstrous, and B/C mostly wouldn't be useful outside of this one matchup.

Have you tried the B/HP Gyarados against Alakazam? At level 39, it might already do the trick as-is. IMO the Psycho Cut movesets are totally doable. Confusion, not so much.

Do you have access to Houndoom? He is another good option for countering pure Psychic movesets.

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I'm walking my Larvitar for more candy and hitting T-Tar raids, but I'm currently out of Larvitar candy (powered up B/C T-Tar from 30 to 31.5 for the Zam raid). I'm considering using some of my 114 rare candy on him, which I wanted to save for legendaries, but is currently just taking up so much bag space.

Is there any instance where a B/HP Gary would be a better choice than a WG/HP or WG/AT Vape? I'd like him to be useful again, even if only for this one matchup.

I have a 80 Houndoom with B/C at level 30, would you recommend throwing him in next time I try to solo PC/FS Alakazam?

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I'm in exactly the same position as you are on T-tar so I definitely understand. Once I run out of candy (did a few raids recently) I'm probably going to start using the rare candies to cut bag space too. I figure I never really need to have more than 100 at any given time since they're a pretty regular drop at raids.

I would definitely test out the Houndoom. I have not yet successfully solo'ed Alakazam due to moveset troubles (C/SB, C/FS, C/SB) and not having strong enough Tyranitars, but there just aren't that many good Dark types and Houndoom still hits pretty hard. Aside from those two, I also use Pinsir, Scizor, and Gengar as my primary Zam counters - I have the latter two at 38.5 so they really pack a punch.

As far as Gary is concerned, I use him over Vape against Rhydon because I never bothered powering up Vape (preferred to evolve mixed IV level 30 ones) but did power up a B/HP Gyarados for gym placement. That's pretty much it though I will also use him against Snorlax/Blissey if they're sandwiched between ground types.

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I'd be hesitant to waste (use) a TM on a Gyrados and change a STAB move to a non-stab move...

Even though a dark move will be SE into Alakazam, you lose STAB so your gains are minimal..

Looking at a spreadsheet, you'd actually do LESS DPS going from HP -> Crunch so it's probably a very very bad idea to do this...

As has been mentioned on this site before, Gary was great to sit high in gyms, but he doesn't really have any real advantage compared to an ideal counter and with SE being 1.4, most generalists are worst off currently...I think someone calculated that a Level 20 Machamp does more DPS than a level 40 Dragonite against Tyranitar...

Gyarados also doesn't resist Psychic moves...even though he resists FB, any dark type will resist 2 out of the 3 charge moves and all darks are immune to psychic 0.51x (the quick move)...so that's probably a bigger factor in most fights.

I'd work on getting any high level, random Gengar, Pinsir, Houndoom, even Zam with Shadow Ball if you have it and use that instead of Gary...(to save on dust)...Gengar is probably the best bet, but is, of course, hard to use since you're taking SE damage as well...Scizor also doesn't seem to do as much damage as expected just due to the sheer (not top tier) power of FC/XS.

Just guessing, but I'd swap the Dragonites since they probably aren't doing as much DPS as a random level 30 Houndoom or Gengar, Pinsir, etc...

Will have to run simulations in Pokebattler to confirm...

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I think turning a DT/C Gyarados into B/C is arguably useful. You use a fast TM (worth less than a charge TM) to guarantee yourself double dark, which is useful in the current meta if you don't have better alternatives (TTar B/C, Houndoom S/FP).

TM'ing B/HP is another matter. HP is Gyarados' best charge move and it has STAB. Also, you'd be spending a more valuable charge TM and only have a 50/50 shot at getting Crunch.

In other words, I'd consider the DT/C one but not the B/HP one if looking for a dark attacker.

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I have similar gary in moveset and lv
Dont know about alakazam havent meet yet
But i do like it more than my slightly lower gary with B/C when i soloed Gengar
For me, gary B/HP is easier to use the B/C due to cooldown every time i used Crunch.
Yes HP also has long cool down, but because it is one bar it is not as bad atleast for me..
So if it is me, i keep my B/HP, but i already have gary with B/C so our situation is different

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