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The sad story of Blastoise?

Venusaur got Frenzy Plant and became the top grass attacker.

Charizard got Blast Burn and became a powerhouse skirting the power of Moltres and Entei

Based on the existing pattern, July is likely to bring about a community day for my favorite of the Kanto starters, Blastoise. As we all know, Blastoise is a pokemon that has lived in the shadows of Vaporeon ( which now lives in the shadows of Gyarados and Milotic, which now live in the shadows of what is easily one of the greatest pokemon in the game, Kyogre) since day one. Is its abyssal fate sealed to forever stand as a watery foot note, or do you think that it will usurp Gyarados as the premier non-legendary water attacker, or Milotic as the premier water defender?

My personal thought: assuming Hydro Cannon is close enough to Frenzy Plant and Blast Burn, Blastoise will likely rival but not surpass Gyarados. This is manly due to the fact that Gyarados gets Waterfall while Blastoise only has Watergun for its fast move. On defense, I don't see it competing with Milotic. Better bulk and superior counter-coverage just give it the advantage.

So yeah, I'm not very optimistic about my favorite starter. Here's hoping that I'm wrong. Please let me know your opinions =D

Asked by Raven86 years 9 months ago
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Not to nitpick, but we still don't know the special move for Larvitar's CD, let alone the next CD's pokemon. It could well be Smack Down and Squirtle, but you're getting ahead of yourself.

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Let's see...

Bulbasaur in March with Frenzy Plant
Charmander in May with Blast Burn

Think maybe there's a patern? And even if it's NOT in july, that makes what I said no less relavent: we're virtually guaranteed to see Hydro Cannon Blastoise soon, and the fact that Larvitar is next (who is going to have Smack Down BTW, it was confirmed in a leak what was even posted on the main page here), has no baring on the subject at hand. If I want to discuss Palkia and it's potential, does the fact that we have Kyogre as a raid boss right now make my wanting to discuss something that has the potential to be relevant in the future any less relavent?

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Yes, it's very likely but still not confirmed. It wouldn't be the first time that players speculate and take something for granted but Niantic had different plans in mind.
Lower your expectations and avoid disappointment ;)

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Sure, we can discuss anything we want, but if Niantic decides to give Ttar the special move "Yawn" and makes Shuckle the July CD pokemon, we're wasting our time. Yes, I know these possibilities are absurdly unlikely, and Smack Down and Squirtle are probable. But we don't KNOW they will happen the way we KNOW that the water event is happening until June 21st. That's all I'm saying.

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I've heard that the move Hydro Cannon will be powerful and two bar. That does immediately give it some use as the other big name water types use single bar moves as their best option.

Plus a diverse team would be cool. I still haven't powered up a Milotic, so we"ll see when and if Blastoise will see use.

Just now powered up my Venusaurs, to go up against Kyogre.

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by hkn 6 years 10 months ago

Back then, Blastoise was a slightly worse Vaporeon but Gyarados was even worse than Blastoise due to lacking a Water fast move.

Ignoring Kyogre, Vaporeon does have a niche over Gyarados due to higher TDO, so Blastoise with a two-bar HC may similarly have a niche over Gyarados/Vaporeon with one-bar HP and Vaporeon with inferior AT/WP.

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Blastoise has a ways to catch up to Feraligatr...They might just switch the pattern starting July CD.

At some point maybe they just jump to gen 3 and give Walrein IS/IB just to further razz Lapras fans

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Nope. Blastoise, even with Hydro Cannon, will never be better than Gyarados and Vaporeon (posted box below). It will be better than Feraligatr though.

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Looks like the niche for "Water-type with strong two-bar charge move" belongs to Swampert and will not be overtaken by Blastoise. At least Mudkip is a popular starter...so i herd u liek mudkipz.

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Blastoise will be lucky to surpass Vaporeon in total DPS but even then vaporeon has more bulk.

BTW, decent water charge attacks already exist such as aqua tail and surf.

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With a 171 attack stat Blastoise won't be relevant even with a better charge move. He will still have his CD moment I think tho & you will still want the shiny variant but won't be particularly useful in the meta. People love Blastoise cos he looks cool, would be great if he was buffed but can't see it.

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by Peach 6 years 10 months ago

He has this name since gen2 release for a reason...
Edit: That's a perfect blastoise...

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Vaporeon lives in the shadow of Milotic? Are you serious? There is a significant DPS difference, and Vaporeon has higher bulk.

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176*260 = 45,760 Vaporeon
242*190 = 45,980 Milotic
Technically, Milotic is bulkier. The difference in their DPS is about as big as this as well, except Milotic has the advantage of double bars ;)
Water Gun + Hydro Pump 12.565 Vaporeon
Waterfall + Surf 11.994 Milotic

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I was more saying that Gyarados usurped Vaporeon on offense, while Milotic usurped Vaporeon on defense.

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It will never be the best, but Hydro Cannon will be an improvment:

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