Power up Machamp/Fighting pokemon for gen 2?
Hi, all, thanks for reading and answering my question! I don't think Machamp or Fighting type is very good right now, but it seems like Fighting will be a bit better in Gen 2 because of some more Rock and Dark pokemon, namely Umbreon and Tyranitar (which will take 1.56X damage from Fighting.)
Is a Machamp worth powering up for Gen 2? Are there better Fighting pokemon in Gen 2 than Machamp?
Mine is:
1629 CP
89% IV, 15 Attack, 14 Def, 11 Stamina
Karate Chop
Submission (Attacking Moveset rating: C, Defending Moveset rating: B)
I don't catch enough Machoke to be able to evolve another Machamp soon...but if that moveset isn't good enough, I can start saving!
Thanks for your advice
Answers
Maybe. But here's my question - why do it now before you even know? Just hold onto the dust/candy and wait and see if you need him :)
If you ask this question now, any answer anyone gives involves guessing
I have gathered a few good Machamps myself, including a 93% K Chop/Cross Chop and a 91% K Chop/Submission.
I'm not powering up either until I feel like I need to, but I'm not transferring them either
Machamp isn't the strongest fighting Pokemon, Hitmonlee is. Machamp has 10 higher attack but that doesn't make up for Karate Chop's awful damage.
Cross Chop is overrated too, because of it's low damage relative to other 100 energy moves. Yes it technically does the highest DPS, but it doesn't increase your overall DPS more than other charge moves because of it's lower damage and duration.
Imagine if there was a charge move that did 1 damage with a 0.01s cooldown. "Technically" it would do 100 DPS, but it would be the worst charge move in the game because it would have almost no effect on your overall DPS because it's damage and duration would make up such a small percentage of your total damage.
Which is why longer duration charge moves that do more total damage are sometimes rated higher than lower damage ones that technically have higher DPS, because they increase the average DPS of your quick move and charge moves combined by a higher amount.
e.g. Hyper Beam vs Body Slam on Snorlax and Solar Beam vs Power Whip on Tangela.
If they don't buff Karate Chop, you'd probably be better with a Pokemon that is only single super effective and has STAB but a higher DPS move over a Machamp, because that 25% extra damage doesn't make up for Karate Chop's DPS.
Most obvious example, Vaporeon. STAB Water Gun x 1.25 does more DPS than STAB Karate Chop x 1.56 even with Machamp's higher attack stat.
U wrong. I have maxxed both machamp and hitmonlee with perfect movesets. Over 2500cp machamp and over 2100 cp lee. And machamp is better. He resists so much more. Even dodging lee takes to much damage and last maybe one big snorlax.
My machamp kills 3 snorlax if I dodge. Machamp >>>>> lee. Even with karate chop being a little lame.
Power up, test, and clearly see. Thats why hitmonlee only graded 5 on this site and machamp 7.5
Hitmonlee has higher defence, and both have the same typing, pure Fighting, so they have the same resistances.
The difference is stamina, Machamp has 80 more base stamina so is able to take more damage before fainting, rather than Hitmonlee receiving more damage. It just seems that Hitmonlee receives more damage because of it's lower health pool, which means a loss of 1 HP is a bigger percentage of Hitmonlee's total HP compared to Machamp's. Given an equal amount of time to fight, a Hitmonlee should do more damage.
Since a good pokemon with neutral DPS will likely do more sustained damage than a Machamp that is SE, Hitmonlee at least fills a niche with it doing a high amount of damage in a short amount of time.
For training against Tyranitar, both Machoke and Primeape with Low Kick+Cross Chop might be a little better, because Karate Chop is such a poor move currently.
For attacking an opposing Tyranitar, Hitmonlee does deal the most fighting damage now, but Machamp can survive longer and should deal more in the long run.
