How can a Nidoqueen Poison Jab/Earthquake be rated tier 3 in the new attackers tier list and Nidoking dont?.
Nidoking have 24 more points of attack stats, higher true DPS and CP.
Same moveset, more damage, higher CP, lower attacker tier? i cant agree with this.
I agree with your position. I think, it is a mistake.
The only way to justify queens position over kings would be, that she has more useful attack-sets, but as only the best set is rated, this way to discuss does not really make sense.
The other question is:
Who should be attacked with either king or queen? Wigglituff, the only interesting fairy has been nerfed; Wherefor poison-attack?
Taking earthquake into account, there is rhydon and no further question.
It is not a mistake. If you have used any spreadsheets lately you surely have noticed that the combination of stats on Nidoqueen will results in higher damage output before fainting compared to Nidoking. It was like this before the update and nothing has changed regarding that.
Nidoqueen outperforms Nidoking on both offense and defense.
I see your point, but i still disagree.
My personal point of view is, that an attacker should have a strong attack stat, because i clearly prefer short fights.
Even kings defense should be sufficient to survive one defender, and queens defense is not strong enough to kill two of them.
But this discussion is quite theoretical, because there is no real defender where king or queen are useful against. I have both, king and queen with optimal attacking setup und 90+ IV, candy are no problem - i just don't know, why i should invest any grain of stardust.
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It is not only my personal point of view, but also niantics. Calculating CPs, they take def stats only square rooted, and offensive stats directly into account. Thus, pkm with high attack stat are rated higher than pkm with high defensive stats. Just compare wigglytuff and alakazam. Both have relatively neutral typing one is a glass cannon, the other is really strong in defense.
Look at both - attackers list and rating and try to imagine, how you use them.
As it is true - wigglytuff can be used to take down even a snorlax, it is impractical, because it takes sooo long. Alakazam does this job quickly.
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King/Queen have worse matchups vs. Eggy than they do vs. the rest of the grass squad.
Yes, they hit Eggy SE with their quick move. He hits them SE in return, though. In addition, EQ is NVE vs. Eggy, and Eggy often carries Psychic on defense which is SE vs. Queen/King. This leads to an even/unfavourable matchup, depending on movesets.
Against the other grasses, King/Queen hits neutrally with both quick and charge moves. If the grass type is carrying double grass moves, they hit neutrally back, and the matchup is even. However - and this is King/Queens main strength in these matchups - defending grasses often carry poison type moves for coverage against fire types. And King/Queen are the only released pokémon with double resistance to poison, making these encounters highly favourable.
Nidoqueen has ~20 more defense and stamina than Nidoking. That means despite Nidoking's better attack, Nidoqueen will end up dealing more damage over her lifetime than Nidoking. That got her a better ranking.
Nidoking would probably be in the spot right below Nidoqueen... but Nidoqueen happened to get the last spot.
So basically, if you dodge, Nidoking IS better, but those charts are done with the premise that you do not dodge, so Nidoqueen performs better. Now... who are you gonna use nidoqueen or nidoking against? There are only 3 top (ish) tier defenders that are weak to Poison:
Wigglytuff and Clefable: Rarely seen in gyms and not that hard to deal with
Exeggutor: You are better off using Fire or Ice type pokemon to exploit the grass side, and if that fails, there's bug and dark types to exploit the Psychic side.
Rhydon is better vs. Muk than King/Queen. Single resistance, two SE-moves and better stats vs. Double resistance and one SE-move.
Psychics are not better vs. Muk than King/Queen. They don't resist poison, while King/Queen has a double resistance. This is a huge deal. Also, Muk may carry Dark Pulse for coverage.
