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The new player has a steep hill to climb to be competitive

My wife, a casual player since the game started, hit level 30 a couple weeks ago. She isn't interested in gyms, IVs, or anything beyond filling her pokedex.

However, is there even hope for a new player just starting out? That player would be so far behind that he/she will likely never make up ground on the current players.

As the game was in it's feverish fad of popularity everyone was on fairly level ground. The difference in levels between players was greater, but could be made up fairly easily.

My point is, what's the incentive for a new competitive player? They can't hope to catch up. Not without incredible effort. Moreso than most anyone here has put forth even if your current level is 35+.

It just seems that the game has evolved since day 1, but left new players to the game behind. I remember when 1600 or so could put you in a gym. And most gyms topped out at 2000 (then a decent CP) even with a full roster. But now it seems you need 2600 or so just to have a hope of a lower spot. To this end, where does that leave new players? Playing for the pokedex-only like my wife?

It doesn't affect me as I'm comfortable at my level and have a few high CP mons that can guarantee me a top spot or just below. But new players? Not likely.

Does anyone see this as a problem? I mean, eventually current players drop off and quit. it's just how most apps work. But that almost leaves nothing by very high level players and any new players. Creating a larger disparity between players.

Asked by Mooncusser7 years 11 months ago
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Outside of big cities, I think the answer is YES (if you do live in a big city, even most people who played from the beginning aren't competitive, I guess).

I started playing this game three months ago in february. I am now level 33 without spoofing and without maps. I am certainly competitive where I live now, albeit that is a small town. Based on my experiences I was actually contemplating writing a guide to new players who want to get competitive FAST (without buying an account, which is just stupid), but I figured that there probably isn't an audience for it.

But yes, it is a grind levelling up that fast. You need to have the mentality for it. On the other hand, it is a great excuse to get a lot of exercise. And yes, I have a fulltime job - I don't spend THAT much time on this game.

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I'm almost Lvl 39 now, get 100 coins a day from the 16 - 18 mons sitting in the mostly stable Lvl 10 gyms in town. Back when I was Lvl 30 ages ago it was hard to get more than 20 coins, because the gyms chanced hands all the time and you got kicked out as soon as you turned your back. I just checked the five gyms I can see from here, there are three players below Lvl. 30, and one Lvl. 28 has a mon in three of them. Doesn't seem so bad.

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Well, I doubt that they are sitting any higher than 8 or 9 though. In an area like mine, where a lot of people will shave you out of the gym if you are sitting at the bottom, it is almost impossible for lower levels to keep more than 1 or 2 gyms I would say, unless they have a maxed out Tyranitar or Dragonite, which is not very likely if you more or less just started playing. It IS that bad and as someone with a very high trainer lvl like you, it is easy to say that it doesn't seem so...

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Of course they get kicked out soon (Here not by shavers but by random joggers who do "Pokemon fighting" without really playing, they enter a gym, disable the GPS and walk on), but they still sit a day or two while I was sitting ten or twenty minutes when I was their level last summer.

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There should be some special gyms where only players below level 30 can attack and slot in Pokemon.
Players below 30 can still slot in the 'normal' gyms.

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Rural gyms around here, though can hold more than 21 hours, are usually mostly filled with more than 2900 CP pokemon.

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I think you're looking at it from your own perspective.

A new player isn't as concerned about gyms. The first 20 levels are all about having fun and filling your dex. And you do level up really quickly in the first 20 levels, and even up to level 30 is fairly quick.

Once they reach 25 or so, they'll have some solid Mons that can fight and defend gyms. They'll have a 2000 Exeguttor, Gyarados, Rhydon, and hopefully a good hatched Snorlax or two.

Yes, they won't be able to compete in the level 10 gyms. But they can battle low level gyms, win, and place their 2000cp Pokémon in there. They might hold it for a few minutes or a few days.

Once they get to Level 30 or so, they still might not have many true gym defenders over 2800cp, but they will have attackers that can take down anyone, even us level 37 players.

Also keep in mind, gym rewards are not THAT great. Coins are important, but you can buy them (when I was a new player, I spend much more $$). And stardust is very important, but you don't really get that much from gyms.

To be level 1 again...sounds fun to me.

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by SNE4K 7 years 11 months ago

Just like most competitive games if you have a late start etc.

However possible matchmaking would solve this...based on either trainer level or the current team you have selected

The system already in place in gyms that lowers a pokemons cp to match what you are using is kinda similar as it can help lower level players still have a chance

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Some areas would be a breeze. A lvl 5 player could easily collect 100 coins a day here. Would be easier than during release that's for sure. I've had 9 mons in gyms for 4 weeks now in low lvl gyms. Some much longer.

I've been thinking about switching to using just one type even (lightning maybe) for attacking and defending just to make it interesting.

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I am a casual player, but if someone really wanted to, like someone else posted, you can easily get to competitive levels in most places by simply playing a bit more...

If anything, it's EASIER now to level fast with 1st catch bonus, double exp events, 1st spin/catch, 7 day streak, etc...

NONE of the high level people who started when the game launched got these and were high level much much slower and worked much much harder...(played longer/spent more time).

Like the guy who posted that is level 33 here and only started in Feb, low levels can be done super quick now if you research, plan, grind a bit harder, etc...I seriously think someone can hit 30 in 1 week going pretty hard.

All that said, the other comment about any level 25+ player can tear down a level 10 gym filled with level 40 players already makes gyms/game easy.

What they need is more gameplay so when people hit 30, they still want to do stuff after catching that 1000 pidgey.

I'd guess the large majority don't even bother with gyms except minorly to past the time since it's a waste of time/resources and low exp rewards...

I don't bother attacking rival towers for the same reason (level 35+) since I'd have to waste my gas/time to take out some random level 10 gym and I get nothing for it...I also don't find it challenging or fun so maybe that's just me...

Gyms have become sorta like work for me (I get 6-10 gyms daily now) so hoping for MORE ways to get pokecoins, dust, etc...which will allow lower level players to have fun too.

Like get 20 great throws in a row, get 10 excellent throws, walk 10km in 1 day. Battle with a fairy type Pokemon. Beat 7 defenders in 1 round to unlock stuff.

I would like a Pokemon house so I can play without "Go"ing anywhere.

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"All that said, the other comment about any level 25+ player can tear down a level 10 gym filled with level 40 players already makes gyms/game easy."

Sorry, I just can't see a level 25-28 player being able to take down a level 10 gym without both massive luck (eg multiple DB/DC or similar caliber fighters) AND huge resources in terms of time and potions (and no max revives either...). Even then a max Blissey or even Snorlax might be a wall that just couldn't be climbed without 2 quality level 30 attackers.

I do agree with your comment about gyms being a bit of a chore nowadays - I like to be in 10, but get a lot more exercise and pleasure from walking/catching then pressing/swiping.

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It's certainly easier for high level players, but all a level 25 player needs are a few key mons and it'll be not hard at all (more like 1 mon).

I never had an attacking Dragonite so assuming a level 25 has even 1 with decent moves, there no real wall in the game other than Blissey (time out is real).

I have a Machamp that's level 25 with C/CC and it can hurt any Blissey enough to not time out...Yes, it will take more time than a level 30+ player who maxed a Machamp out, but again, the gap between a maxed out level 26.5 Machamp vs. a level 30 Machamp isn't that great...

You can use the Machamp to clear or hurt the Blissey hard enough (or Flareon/Alakazam). Finish with another mon so use 2 vs. 1 Blissey. Eggs would be ideal for higher tankiness. Timeout isn't an issue which is the main problem.

Vaps can deal with Snorlax, Rhydons...I already prestige 2900-3000+ mons with 1200-1300 Vaps/Tangelas, etc (I've still not powered up any prestiger)...so saying a level 25 "can't" is a bit of a stretch I think...I just did that today honestly (prestiged against Snorlax/Rhydons)...

Jolteon can deal with Gary.

Dragonites are harder, (I hatched 3 Lapras), but if you didn't have a Lapras, you can use a Golem or Wiggly or Granbull, etc...

YES, it will take potions/revives, etc...but again, a level 26.5 mon vs. most people powering up attackers to level 30 isn't THAT different.

I currently attack with ZERO mons that are over level 30 and have 0 attacking Dragonites (in a gym).

The only difference is that at level 35, I've been grinding for a while so I probably have level 30 mons that a level 25 wouldn't have yet, but they can easily power up Vaps/Jolts/Flareons to 26.5 if they wanted to clear any level 10 gym.

All that said, I rarely attack rival towers because I don't have a attacking Dnite and don't want to waste my time. When I do clear those level 10 towers, it takes me like an hour where someone with more ideal attackers may take 30 minutes.

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by GPGo 7 years 11 months ago

Depends on the purpose of playing.

If the target is to reach high levels fast then just a lot of playing is needed.

There are videos in YT how to get level 20 in one day.

During the last event one guy collected about 10 million XP in one week. This is the absolute extreme of course but 10 mil points takes a player to level 37!

Levelup works faster in the beginning and gets slower in every new level. At the same time CP increase for mons works vice versa.

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I've been tempted to start over because I am slowly getting bored.

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Once you hit Level 30 you can be competitive. It only takes 1 week to 1 month to reach level 30

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by phhoff 7 years 11 months ago

im lvl 37 and i can asure you, the actual difference between a lvl 30 and a lvl 40 pokemon is very small.
if you and your wife fight as a team, together you can beat every pokemon very, very easy. no mater what. look for its weakness or even better doubleweakness and watch em faint. dont care if you can hold the gym... take the xp the other team prestiged and have fun.

cheers

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I agree, obviously the different between 37 and 40 is small. pretty much the same level as far as available mons are concerned. But my post was about a brand new player entering the game.

My wife is a rare player. She couldn't care less about gyms, battling, IVs, or anything competitive. She enjoys hatching eggs and catching pokemon. Yet she still gets frustrated because of how long it takes her to level up.

In my area you need 3200+ to have a top 5 spot in a gym. Even then, you're lucky to last 12 hours. I basically play into gyms just to make room in my item bag (blowing through revives and potions). In my area gyms are useless. You need to get as many as you can in 30 minutes and try to cash in asap. Or they start dropping as fast as you get 'em in there.

I remember when I started out it was very rare to see anyone at level 30. These days it's the baseline minimum.

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