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On the New "Groudon's Place in the Meta" Guide

After reading the Gamepress Guide "Groudon's Place in the Meta", what do you think? Is Groudon truly the #2 overall attacker? Here are some of my takeaways:

- Ground types are now somewhat viable in Groudon
- Groudon nears Lugia for absolute potion-efficient battling
- Groudon's other movesets have potential

Will you be maxing yours out?

Asked by WaterYouWading47 years 4 months ago
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Don't have any interest in potion-efficiency and don't like generalists with slow 1-bar charge moves so Groudon doesn't look quite that appealing as an overall attacker to me. I'll get my best one to 30 and probably max it out eventually or if it becomes a priority counter to some raid.

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Same here, I have more potions than I need and I prefer gym sweepers to have multi-bar moves.

And being the new best ground type doesn't really mean much when Jolteon and Raikou aren't available right now. Even if Jolteon does come back, it was only difficult / impossible because weather boosts and Groudon didn't exist yet.

If it comes back then there's no appeal to doing it anymore as it's no longer a challenge.

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Pokebattler puts more emphasis on power over DPS, that's why Groudon is rated #2 in their overall rating. In terms of DPS, yes it is not comparable to its legendary peers like Moltres or Raikou, but it is better than Rhydon and many people use Rhydon.
Also, Sunny/Clear seems to be the majority weather around the world, therefore Groudon enjoys the weather bonus by a lot. Good DPS + very good bulk makes his performance admirable. We took weather into consideration when making the article.
As for potion efficient, nowadays with the potion nerf, it does become an issue for some players (me included). Groudon's high defense and neutrality to many of the common defenders' attacks make it stand out from the crowd.
In a word, I would max a Groudon.

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I agree. Potion efficiency is a large issue for me, and, in sunny socal, it's often Sunny or Clear. I'm definitely maxing a Groudon. If other Pokemon upset its throne, it still enjoys being the #1 Ground-type.

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I'll definitely be maxing the best one I end up getting. So far, that's a 96% (14/14/15).

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I'm a little upset that they recommend having Solarbeam on your Groundon. I doubt that Groundons advantage as a grass type attacker over Exeggutor BS/SoB is that big and I'm pretty sure that you gain more in comparison to Rhydon if you make him learn EQ.

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It’s not just this site. Pokebattler, PokeGenie, and Pogomoves all have SB as the best charge move.

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Maybe they habe but my argument still stands that for high level player who have teams of 4-6 from each species that you probably gain more if you replace a Rhydon or ground golen in your lineup against lets say Raikou as opposed to replacing one Exeggutor or Venausaur in your “grass“ lineup. The diffenrence between Exeggutor with Stab BS/SoB against non Stab SoB on Groudon is not that big whereas Groudon outclasses Rhydon by a healthy margin. That's why I will go with EQ.

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Just Tm whatever is needed at the moment. Right now, Solarbeam is better it can hit Groudon and Kyogre for weakness. In the future it might not be be the best charge move but for now it is.

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I don't see the point of arguing. Just max one of each if you are hardcore. Or just max one and use charge TM to fit meta if you are casual.

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It's unlikely a casual player has enough CTMs to flip charge moves on the reg.

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Nothing stopping you from maxing out two, one with MS/EQ and one with MS/SoB. Both should be useful for different things.

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I'm just powering up one of each legendary minus articuno and Suicune. I like diversity and having an army of Groudon would feel strange to me. But that's just my opinion. Maybe I will have to change this since apart from Metagross there won't be much else worth investing dust into.

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