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Nerf Blissey

Ive been trying to take gyms aroudn where I live, and everywhere, theres blissey, I understand it is meant to be defense, but when blissey wins by timer stall, and Golden Razz is a thing, it actually makes beating it impossible without loosing most of your healing items, or taking too long to be work it. And convsersly, ive been in gyms where there was a blissey, and because people keep golden Razzing the blissey the gym could not be taken, and thus no one got their coins.

I think the best ways to nerf Blissey are the following

1) cutting its defense, its hp is already so monstrous, you do nothing even with a maxed, wather boosted dynamic punch, but it can 2 hit you with a weather boosed dazzling gleam

2) it having a full fighting counter move set, either remove zenn headbutt or dazzling gleam, mostly because this contributes to it being so over powered, its counters cant last long enough to do anything.

3) Motivation decay. maybe add soemthign where blissey either cannont be golden razzed, golden razz does less for blissey, make its motivation decay MUCH faster, or have it only need to ne knocked out once as opposed to 3 times

and 4), my personal favorite, Reduce the coin yield/penalty for use. Blissey already makes it nearly impossible for other players to get their coins, but most blissey users already have their daily coins from ther gyms, maybe make it so in order to put in a blissey, it comes with a penalty, like not getting any coins from it at all, or a greatly reduced coin rate or even you need to pay coins to use it.

Either way, soemthing needs to be done about this, namely because it does make the game unplayable, but likely thats what Niantic wants, so people need to spend real money to get their coins cuz blissey locks them out....

Asked by MetagrossMaxis7 years ago

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or just nerf the golden raz.

if people don't have a good Machamp or five after the fighting event I don't know what to say. Beating a 3,000 CP Blissey should be relatively simple. I understand that nobody wants to beat it 8 times. So that's why I say just nerf the raz.

Alternatively they could just reward a lot fewer gold razz per raid. I have so many of them that I keep dumping them on gyms just to free up inventory space.

As it currently stands I would say that Blisseys are not that much of a problem. Unless a raid is about to start, the odds are pretty low that someone is actually paying attention and gold razzing during the few minutes it takes for a couple of machamps to take out a Blissey.

cue the response where someone from Singapore tells the other 99.99999% of the world all about Singapore.

Max some Machamps and Hariyamas.

He's allergic to Machamp

No, my opinion has changed, it was that wher ei live it always couldy and was using a trash machamp, so it was OHKO'd by dazzling gleam, now I have a max IV machamp, and I have seen it is worth the hype, though it does consume more potions than i'd like

I agree that something needs to be done, but like its been pointed out, the real problem are the GRBs.

4) like you said, most blissey users already have their daily coins from ther gyms, so reducing the coin rate wouldnt matter for them right?

I think the motivation decay is already excessive. But the golden razz needs to go. That fact that Blissey can time people out is special. But that really shouldn't happen. My kid's account is level 28 and has 3 level 30+ double fighting Machamps due to the event.

Sorry man, no offense intended but a lvl 40 (20+ mil exp) should be able to defend against a lvl 28 (less than 2 mil exp).. Personally, I think it’s kind of lame that we have to work to get so much xp and to not be able to defend worth crap cuz the gym motivation system. There should be at least somewhat of a bonus for doing 10 times (for me, 20 times) what a level 30 does besides getting possibly 1 extra damage ball (not too much of a dps difference between most pokemon between lvls 30-40) here and there..

Also, side note that if your son is lvl 28, his Machamps can’t be lvl 30+, only 30 at most. You can only power up a pokemon 2 full levels (4 power ups) above your trainer lvl, just to clarify in case you didn’t know. But stil great to have 3 of those bad asses 👍

If his son is lvl28, then it is possible he has Machamps at lvl33.

Two words...weather boosted.

Ahhhhh, yes of course! Can’t believe I spaced that out... Sometimes I still think like the old ways lol

Blissey is fine. I love taking down 3000+ Blissey that are being golden razzed. Hey if you want to spend 20+ Golden raz when you know they are just being wasted, that’s fine by me. Just have a team of maxed out Machamps.

But I believe they should introduce abilities to Pokémon for defense purposes. So that taking down gyms should be a little harder. I don’t like how some demotivate so quick, so maybe a Pokémon like Chansey can heal them. If this is the case, then Pokemon shouldn’t be remote fed. I think they should be able to hold a berry, and use it when the CP gets too low. I don’t think it’s fair that someone can take down 10+ gyms in th the middle of the night because everything is low motivation, but during the day when everything is maxed and razzes are ready. If they do give abilities, then I think Blissey should have the ability not to be able to use a berry, however it stays at full motivation at all times. To balance it out.

Dear lord, Gyms are a million times easier even with blissey and golden raspberry.

I prefer some challange and working for getting Gold, maybe the person doesnt want coins and is actively working on Gold.

Thank you! Gyms are already so much easier to begin with, on top of how many more players have become stronger and wiser attackers and have better fighting type attackers since the old gym system.
Please don’t make these sad and demotivated gyms any softer!!! 😩

Also, there seems to be less and less relevant non-legendary Pokémon with each legendary released. Blissey has remained relevant but if you nerf her, that’s just more useless Pokémon that we’ve spent so much dust, kms, and precious candy on... Besides, it’s nice to, slightly, have another dynamic to the game besides just offense and having the best attacker to get an extra damage ball here and there (even though, like they pointed out in the rare candy on blissey guide, having a good blissey to defend the gym before a raid will guarantee you and your team mates 2 more balls).

Thats only if you can knock out the other team when they are spamming golden razz on their blissey before a raid

Oh yeah, that's definitely the 99% the case. *rolls eyes*

As others have stated, gold razz berries are the real culprits here (and people who throw multiple accounts into a gym, allowing them to GR ad nauseum). Blissey is a tank, yes, but Machamp knocks her out with relative ease, even when said Blissey is full motivation.

If Niantic nerfs GR in some way, then that'll probably be a change for the best. Blissey, however does not need a nerf and shouldn't get one. She's literally the only challenging defender to go up against right now, in a gym system that is currently very not challenging.

Based on your previous posts, I know you don't like Machamp much, but if you're struggling against Blisseys in gyms, there is no better choice for knocking them out.

There's some infuriatingly beautiful irony here that you're struggling against Blissey as a defender when you of all people managed to hatch a perfect Machop. Evolve your Machop, teach it Counter/Dynamic Punch, power it up until you can't anymore, then set it loose on whatever gym is giving you trouble, remembering to dodge as needed.

Still impossible to kick out Blissey if she's been GRB'd. : /

Not necessarily, I’ve done it many times. Just have to have enough people attacking it with you, which happens to play into the whole “team” dynamic Niantic likes so much

Even with multiple maxed Machamps, consistently dodging DG is not easy and if the Blissey is fed GRBs, taking her down solo is impossible.

And if the defenders have another person helping out? You're still screwed. Especially cause a good number of people use two accounts. How's that for "team".

I've also beaten GRB'd Blisseys, usually someone who wasn't paying attention at all, or just did it once. The problem is with people who set on defending Blissey no matter what.
Besides, who wants to constantly look around at their screen just in case a gym is being attacked? It should be a more automated system in some way.

Solo attacker with good Machamps wins a solo feeder with a maxed Blissey, even with a slow phone. It becomes impossible if there are more feeders.

I dont have any TM's, or star dust, it is a level 20 machamp with double steel, it cant do anything to a blissey.

You just asked whether to spend a Fast TM on a Venusaur when you have a perfect Machamp with Bullet Punch.

Words have officially escaped me.

Oh for fuck's sake we're reaching levels of painfully stupid that shouldn't be possible. Why the hell did you fret over marginal gains with your Venusaur over this?

I get you, there is no fun battling a gym over & over while someone is golden razzing it. The answer tho doesn't lay in nerfing the only real defender in Go atm. The whole gym system needs to change, a system where knowledge is power, get rid of motivation, a stupid idea in the first place & let's see defenders defending & attackers using their brains to take them down. Better rewards for holding gyms, reward also those that take them down. Golden razz should be used for catching Pokémon ONLY. I think we're all bored to tears with gyms right now, coins are the only thing they get you so we do them but how many of you actually enjoy the process? I enjoyed the old system, yes it had flaws but was infinitely better than what we have now.

I am not defending the current gym system but the old one was shit

I miss prestiging.

The old one had a few flaws but it was much more fun than the current system. And I say this as someone from a minority team who earned a maximum of 20 coins per day for most of the first year.

Does not make sense at all. Why have gym battles if defenders cannot defend? The gyms are already so easily taken down, less Blissey. Might as well have a system where anyone can slot a pokemon into the gym and kick the longest defender out, regardless of Team colour.

I have played in densely populated areas, where your mon cannot last half an hour before someone attempts to kick you out. If you can't defend with Blissey here, you hardly get coins.

I've also played in less competitive places. You can put Blissey or a Rattata, and you will still get your 50 coins. I've seen some player's Blissey stuck in a remote gym for over a year!

End day, its a game. A gym is meant to be attacked and defended. Tilt the odds too much to either side, then we might as well not bother with it. As of now, the only exciting gym time is when opposing teams try to take down a gym just before high level or EX Raids to get more balls. If Blissey is screwed with, then poor yellow team (in my area) will perpetualy be 7 ballers. Lol.

Not all defenders, just specifically blissey, they did the same thing to slaking, thet HEAVILY nerfed it from what it could have been, I think in part due to how obnoxious blissey is, Blissey is a special exception from ALL other defenders by the fast that it doesn't win by knocking you out, but by timer stall, and the GRB use shows that, it has completely locked out parts of the game for players because they cannot knock down blissey

What nonsense are you talking about? Which gym defender is capable of knocking anybody out? There isn't a player controlling a defending mon in the first instance. Doesn't dodge or anything. Even the raid bosses win by timing out attackers.

Why be so butt hurt that you don't have the teams to take down blissey. Its a game. If everytime an attacker attacks and the end result is only the attacker can win, why even have a gym system???

I may be in the minority here but I hate that they gave Slaking a stat nerf. I'm not saying it wasn't warranted but Yawn pretty much made sure it wouldn't damage anything on defense unless you botched a dodge. I wanted a >5k CP ape dammit!

Blissey doesn't need a nerf, you need a buff. What level are you? do you have any machamp? how much do you bench?

Haha thanks for saying it! I was thinking about posting a response similar to this but was unsure

level 32, but that doesn't matter without the Dust to level up pokemon

Go grind more dust.

Agree to nerf the defense because its defense is very low but special defense is very high in the main serie games. Maybe its defense should not be >200 in Go or Go should make special defense and special attack to follow main serie games.

The only idea (among your four) that I support would be making DG a legacy move for Blissey, but there are already too many Blisseys with DG for that to make a difference.

Better to nerf GRBs but boost other defenders, to make defender choice (and attacker choice) more important, leading to interesting battles.

find a team of 3 people and do the 3 steps to take down a single defender with a solo attack....

Maybe stop crying like a 4 yo girl and start walking some Chansey, feed berries and get yourself an army of them.

Took me 765km and hundreds of berries to finally max out my 1st one, its still nothing compared to most players my rank but at least I don't embarass myself publicly.