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Need advice soloing Gengar

I can't seem to crack this guy, always come close but no cigar.

My line up consists of (A/D/S):
Espeon 2776cp C/FS 14/15/15
Alakazam 2214 PC/FS 14/14/15
Gyarados 3070 B/HP 15/15/15
Tyranitar 3022 B/SE 10/13/15
Tyranitar 3038 B/SE 15/7/15
Tyranitar 3124 B/SE 15/13/14

I also have an Exeggutor 2565 ZH/Seed 14/14/15 but don't have a charge tm
and Gengar 2192 SC/Shadow Ball 14/12/12

Any thoughts on what I should be using or powering up?

Asked by Dexteryx7 years 11 months ago
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If ur Gengar has Shadow Ball and not Sludge Bomb I'd include it in your lineup, swapping the Gyarados since it has the lowest attack and doesn't get STAB from its super effective move unlike your other 5 Pokemon, so I think your Gyarados is the weakest Pokemon in your lineup.

And if the enemy Gengar has Focus Blast your own Gengar is triple resistant to it which somewhat makes up for the lower stamina compared to Gyarados.

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I personally found Sludge Bomb Gengar to be the hardest to solo. For that I switched in a DT/O dragonite and a Golem (for resistance) and took out the Psychics.

I always dodge focus blast. Against Shadow ball lead with the Ttars.

Aside from that I'd repeat what was said in the above post about swapping that Gengar for Gyarados (again assuming it's Shadow Ball). I'd also lead with the Gengar too.

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I agree with replacing the gyarados with the shadow claw/shadow ball gengar. Also if your tyranitars know crunch instead of stone edge it would help. Crunch is definitely better against gengar, but you don't have any charge TMs. You could also sub in a houndoom that knows snarl and foul play. Also unless the raid gengar knows focus blast you won't need to dodge on tyranitar at all, but if you say you're close then swapping the Gary for the gengar could be enough alone. I soloed a gengar earlier with 41 seconds to spare using:

Alakazam (psychocut/futuresight)
Espeon (zen headbutt/futuresight)
Gengar (shadow claw/shadowball)
X3 Tyranitar (bite/crunch)

Granted they were all high level. Soloing tier 3s is all about making sure all your pokemons fast moves and charge moves are all super effective. Most people will pick stone edge over crunch for tyranitar in general since it has higher base dps, but I like using my tyranitars to solo gengar and alakazam and once the super effective bonus comes in to play bite/crunch then outweighs bite/SE. Plus bite/crunch will be better against mewtwo as well. It's also good against lugia. Sure stone edge is great against the legendary birds but double rock golem is their ultimate counter anyways so I like the niche that double dark tar fills. Sorry if this was overly wordy. Sounds like you are almost there! I hope this helps and good luck!

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I keep hearing that B/SE is slightly better than B/Cr even with STAB, so I am hesitant to use charge TMs on my ttars.

Yes the Gengar has shadow claw.

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I can promise you that when super effective damage is factored in bite/crunch is better than stone edge. Not only in testing but on paper as well. When the math is done bite/car has higher cycle dps against gengar than bite/stone edge. STAB is different than super effective damage. For example if you were attacking a snorlax with bite/SE it would definitely do more damage than bite/Cr since bite/SE has higher base dps, but when attacking a gengar, bite/Cr does more. That crunch is now dealing 1.4x the damage it was before since it's super effective where as the stone edge is still sitting at 1x damage. Gengar isn't weak to rock.

Having soloed several alakazam and tested the movesets I can also promise you that in a pure dps race crunch performs better there as well. If dodging is your thing then stone edge provides more maneuverability for sure but when soloing tier 3 raids time is of the essence and tyranitar is bulky and doesn't need to dodge against it's counters.

I definitely understand your apprehension in taking me at my word because many people feel the way you do and charge TMs don't grow on trees, but testing and the math backs up my proposal.

Regardless, thanks for hearing me out and good luck! I'm sure you will get it soon enough! Below is the image of me KOing the gengar with 41 on the clock. I feel that the proof is in the pudding as they say. I do offer the disclaimer that, yes, that tyranitar is a very high level but 5% more damage from the level difference isn't enough to make up over 40 seconds.

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I know it'd be a lot to invest, but it seems that I need to get 3 more tyranitars with B/Cr just to fill the separate niche.

Also thanks for the help I will try these suggestions.

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No problem. I'm happy to lend my advice. It is a lot of resources to invest. Start off by subbing in gengar in place of Gary and then changing one tyranitar to crunch at a time. You never know. Just a couple tweaks and you will prolly get it. You may not need to change them all. Keep in mind that focus blast will one shot tyranitar though if you don't dodge. Take care and good luck!

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You'd only need 1 B/C Ttar to augment the team you have to finish off Gengar. But with two you'd be finishing with 10-20 seconds left.

I have two each B/C and B/SE at ~Lv30 and I think it was a good investment. My two B/C usually take over half of gengar's health in about 80 seconds. Plus I needed my three highest iv Ttars to take down a PC/FS Zam.

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I did a gengar this week. It had focus blast and here is my team. I tried to dodge as many FB as possible and even missed a disagree on my first tyranitar. Otherwise, I killed it with dps.

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This was my team vs H/FB and finished with 15s left. I even missed a dodge with the second Ttar.

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