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My best guess as to what the upcoming changes mean for your squad

First off, you will not need to be concerned much about your defending Pokemon IVs. I think if the same limits are in place you would need a max stock of 20ish defenders.

The only Pokemon that will have a use in the new system will be high tiered geneeralist attackers, high tier specialist attackers, and defenders. This will mean that you want as many as you can get of these two types of attackers. The generalists will be good for normal gyms. Having multiple specialists (in particular one with strength and bulk) will be huge for raids. We could probably make a list of the 15-20 Pokes that will serve these purposes. All others will have no real use.

Anyone else have a take on the new system? I know we are all waiting to see what rolls out before being sure of the real changes.

Asked by JHVS7 years 10 months ago

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My concern is this is going to make the big 7 the big 6. Nearly everyone has one of each of them. 6 slots in a gym. 7 big choices. Do the math. Just cuz CP doesn't effect placement doesn't mean those 7 big ones aren't still some of the hardest hitting bulkiest baddies around. I'm nervous but also excited

Lapras and Steelix take more time to beat than 5 of 7.

Steelix takes more time to beat but does less damage to the attacker.

And there is only 6 defnders now and no multiple Blissey. No matter what goes in there (unless there are other changes) it will be faster than ever.

You are as wrong as wrong can be.

Steelix is the most overrated pokemon in PMG.

Any steel pokemon is. Fire Spin + Overheat is one of the 5 strongest same type combos in PMG.

It's so strong, that it does more damage than WG/Hydro does to a double weakness Rhydon.

Exactly. Is someone going to power up a Steelix and use him if you already have a hard hitting Rhydon? I mean I'm not. I would rather make you take his damage than prolong the battle by 10 seconds while doing less damage with a Steelix...

Steelix forces a fire attacker into attackers team. This could be one reason.

Is someone going to power up a Steelix and use him if you already have a hard hitting Rhydon?

I will wait a moment until new gym-mechanics are revealed, but if it makes sense, i will.

I don't need to be 'forced' to use a fire attacker, I use my Flareon as a generalist attacker all the time.

If there is anything else in the gym that a Vape can attack you can speed bump that Steelix on your way to that mon.

And don't forget steelix is weak to water, and water resists steel moves.

You can place whatever you want in this system. I'm thinking that since they mention "declining CP" you still want something with a higher CP but we won't know exactly how all of that works until we see it I guess.

There will be no more "big 7" it will be the "big whatever the hell you feel like throwing in there"

So with the declining cp, you want to throw your highest cp pokemon in there? So exactly what we do now...

From reading what they wrote, yes that is my take. But the actual system may be a little different that what is announced here.

I'm just wondering how you hold a gym. Only 6 pokemon? So basically to take down every gym all I need is my Dragonite and Blissey...my sweeper and my tank...

Unless something else changes yeah that is pretty much it.

Well at least I know I can now transfer my 30 Vaporeons...

I thought the same initially but my 60 Vapes would be great for boss battles.Imagine a 25K Tyranitar. I can just run them all over and over....

How many pokemon can you use against a boss tho? 6? No point in having more than 6 of them. I assume you will be able to heal them up, as boss battles won't be that frequent.

Maybe so.

Lets assume, this tyranitar does not hit harder than a normal tyranitar, but is just like a series of 10 2500er Tyranitars. You would need a team of 6 Vaps to finish this thing.
It would be possible to do finish this mon with a team of 2 (There will be a 5-Minute-limit, so soloing it is not reasonable)

That is the real question. Whether that CP is generated from what stats. If his ATT is part of that increase many mons will be RIP before any charge move is released. Even with dodging.

Other assumption: ATT, STA, DEF are doubled. Thus, CP are multiplied by 8. So a 25.000-TRex would be like a 3.125 TRex, with double power and four times bulk. I think, even this could be managed, but it is a lot harder than just more STA.

Note that it wouldn't really be "8" i think since CP does not change at placement now. When you place a 3500 Tyranitar it keeps the same CP even though his HP doubles. So I'm not totally sure that this will be like 8 of them or 4 of them. Depends on what they are doing to create that CP.

It seems that CP includes the motivation from berry feeding. So if you can get a weaker defender more motivated he will stay longer than a neglected Blissey.

So what about bag space? A use for berries, and new items...

I would like to trash my camera and to free its space.

From the photo on the Live page, it appears that the berries you need to feed your gym defenders are Raspberries. I usually only cary a few of those, so this will definitely cause me to reevaluate.

The post leaves a lot of unaswered questions.
How many times do you have to defeat the gym in order to take it over? One run, all the way through may not lower the motivation enough to win.
I don't see anything in the picture to identify the order of the fight? Which order are the mon? Also, it says you battle them in the order the were entered. FIFO? Or LIFO?
Can anyone from the correct team feed berries to any of the mon in the gym? Or does each person have to feed their own?
What happens to a gym after a raid? Since all the defenders are kicked out for the raid to happen, is there a melee to fill the gym at the end of the raid? Without the ability to prestige the gym, if one mon gets knocked out, say due to being ignored and not fed, does the gym stay at 5? There's no way to prestige it back to 6?
Lots of stuff we need to wait and see on!

More value for generalist attackers

I'll be farming Eevees more than ever.

Why?

Vaporeon, Flareon, Espeon will be very useful generalist attackers.

So prestigers are now worthless? I have used them much more than attackers, but it sounds like most of them can be transferred now.

Unless something happens that isn't announced here, from what I read all those mons that are only good for prestiging will be useless shortly. As I said above, there will be 20-30 Pokes worth having (in multiple numbers) and most others will have no real use at all.

Maybe what Niantic should do is instead of releasing the different generations, just release the 5 or 6 best from every generation and call it good, since they just made even more pokemon completely worthless...

I disagree with that. There are plaenty of players who really don't care about the gyms at all. They are more interested in filling the Dex. In other words, Catch Them All.
The game has to stay viable for everyone, not just those who fight in gyms. I only have 6 gyms that I can hit on a normal day, Any others are an extended drive. So I need the added incentive of variation in my catches.