To be honest, i have 7 total Ttars and everyone that got Fire Blast i rolled and kept whatever it was.... just so happens 3 Crunch 4 Stone Edge. Stone Edge is so good for every scenario so far. So honestly i would keep SE, but you haven't rolled yet so just be hopeful for the one you want but realize it is a win/win in a Mewtwo raid.
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Mewtwo: Ttar with SE vs C
"It is worth noting that both Stone Edge and Crunch are equally viable as charge moves for Tyranitar. Despite dealing neutral damage, Crunch is weak enough where the gap between the two moves is relatively small. The main selling point with Tyranitar is Bite."
I have 2 x level 30 Ttar with B/SE.
I also have a couple of 91% Ttars with B/FB (from raids) that I intend to charge TM and power to 30 should mewtwo come out tomorrow.
I guess my question is if I roll a SE, should I bother to charge TM again to get try for crunch? I do have a few charge TMs stored up (17) and don't mind rolling a couple of times to get crunch.
But the sentence above made me think if its even necessary. Is it trying to say that 1 x SE isn't very different from 3X crunch into a mewtwo?
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From all I've read and know, Crunch is simply a WEAK dark type move being 3 bars and SOOOO slow...(3.2 secs CD). Since it has type advantage, it is able to still do more damage than Neutral Stone Edge, but whether it's worth it to TM depends on how much charge TMs you have...
If you have a ton, yeah, it's better by a little bit and can't hurt since you may not need Stone Edge Tyranitar for a while...and if you have an army of Golem, Double rock (RT/SE) Golem will still always outdamage Tyranitar with Bite/SE...
Stone Edge is only 1 bar, but is very fast (2.3 secs CD)....so you can stack another 2 Bites or so gaining energy and doing SE damage as well.
If it was Foul Play with it's super fast CD (2.00 secs), then I'd guess it'd be a no brainer to get Foul Play, but Tyranitar cant get that move...
With 17, you can gamble...maybe keep 1 of each, but probably better to just get more Tyranitars to begin with (I'm in the same boat...got 2 B/SE Ttars also).
I think that is what they are saying, but from a practical standpoint, I'd prefer crunch, due to it being a three-bar move. The T-tar is likely to get knocked out before being able to launch a second SE, so it might be a question of comparing 1 x SE with 5 x crunch.
For the same reason, I prefer RB Golem to SE Golem against raid bosses.
So it more like 10% instead of 5% that I've read somewhere (due to SE Tyra wasting almost full bars at least 2 times in simulation).
I say it worth TMing only if you think you will increase your personal or team bonus by that 10%. That is because I spent 6 TMs circling from SE to FB.
P.S. If you feel lucky, do it, 10% is a significant increase in my book.
Indif :); I looked at higher levels too; different moves too; same around 10% difference :); in order to look faster I just gruped them and lok at time to kill; unfirtunatelly in all scenariis I looked the difference was usually more than 10% (80-100 seconds), more than the 5% at level 30 or 6% at level 39 that appear just by accountig for cycle DPS.
Tyranitar's bulk is about the same as Rhydon's (defence and stamina are very close), but with more attack. From my experience using level 28 Rhydon against Snorlaxes, I think level 30 Tyranitar should have enough bulk to be able to get 2 Stone Edges off, unless the Mewtwo has Focus Blast.
If the Tyranitar's level is higher (35) and Mewtwo has Psycho Cut/Psychic, Tyranitar might even get 4 Stone Edges. That's if you at least try to dodge Psychic.
Edit: Yes, I did consider that Mewtwo has much higher attack than Snorlax, but don't forget that psychic is double resisted by Tyranitar, and 2 of the other Mewtwo charge moves are also resisted by him. Also, Rhydon could get 3 Earthquakes off against Snorlax, even when eating 25% of the body slams.
The answer to the question is already very clear in that statement you quoted. No, it isn't worth any TMs.
Stone Edge is very fast, its single bar is almost 1 second shorter than 1/3 of Crunch's bar, allowing you to squeeze in a lot more Bites, for more dark DPS.
Stone Edge: 2.3 sec, 1 bar, 100 damage
Crunch: 3.2 sec, 3 bars, 70 damage Total: 9.6 sec, 210 damage
7.3 seconds shorter with Stone Edge allows you to squeeze in approx 73 extra dark damage with Bite. This also charges over half the energy bar.
Now, I've decided to stop being so obsessed with finding a B/C Tyranitar, and focus on powering up my 3 B/SE Tyranitars.
I still go for Tyranitar raids now if there are any near me. I would choose a Tyranitar raid over any legendary bird raid, even though I still don't have Articuno or Moltres. I'm not interested in filling the Pokedex with useless Pokemon. I'll probably never get an Unown.
