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Level 3 Raid solo question

Hello fellow trainers, so i just hit level 32 and i was thinking if is possible to start soloing this beast. I though starting with Arcanine, but maybe Machamp is the easier one:

For Machamp:
- 3141 Dragonite DT/O
- 2523 Espeon ZH/FS
- 2476 Espeon C/Ps
- 2340 Exegutor Ex/Psychic
- 2152 Exegutor Ex/ Solar Beam
- 2073 Exegutor Ex/ Psychic

Please leave and fundament your opinion :D

Asked by krypton227 years 6 months ago
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IMO Machamp is the easiest of the bosses although he does spam Heavy Slam frequently which can become annoying, you need Espeons with Future Sight ( C or ZH should work just fine I use C though), same goes for Alakazam ( C, PC with Fs), Dragonite with Hurricane works better than O. I also find my Gengar with SC/SB does work.
Executor is ok if that's your only option but you need more DPS which those above provide you, check pokebattler sims using time to win

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ES/P Exeggutor has a higher kill speed against a Machamp boss than SC/SB Gengar.

With confusion/psychic, Exeggutor's kill speed is even marginally higher than DT/HU dragonite's.

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Not that I really care, but does anyone have an explanation why verifiable facts are being downvoted on this forum? I don't have to share them if they are not in demand.

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If you want to use Exegguttor, Solar Beam is stronger than Psychic even when the latter is super effective.

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Not true from a pure dps perspective. However, the difference is slight and if you manage to just squeeze out that one more SB before dying, a SB exeggutor might just end up ahead. So I would say in real life battles there is no material performance difference (I use both types in my Machamp solos).

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Psychic does 163 damage in total while Solar Beam does 251. Tell me where that is a -slight- difference.

DPS (which is still worse for Psychic, though a slight difference as you said) is all cute, but for charge moves DPE is more important.

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I won't argue with you. Do the math, and you will find that against a Machamp boss e.g. a level 35 15 atk iv Exeggutor with ES/P will produce a total DPS of 20.7, whereas one with ES/SB will produce a total DPS of 20.1.

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Very interesting numbers concerning DPS. Do you have them from pokebattler?
Might save me a TM.

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Nope, I find the pokebattler simulations don't really work for me (too much difference to my real life results), so I don't use them anymore and do pure DPS calculations on the basis of the known damage formulas (which luckily are widely available).

I found this pure and abstract spreadsheed approach makes comparisons between move sets a lot easier. Also, it gives me an impression of the overall quality of a mon (glass cannon, top attacker and (in group raids only) acceptable tank)).

In my experience, the variables in the game (lag, boss behaviour, time between a mon dying and the next being rotated in) can be huge. Pokebattler suggests a closeness to real life which I for one cannot confirm. So abstract calculations/pure mathematics ultimately worked better for me.

Btw, as stated above, I would not recommend ctm-ing a SB exeguttor. The difference in Machamp raids is marginal. But in Vaporeon raids a SB Exeggutor (with both ES and BS) is top notch whereas a P Exeggutor is useless.

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Your numbers are way off. A lvl 30 eggy SoB will do 152 damage to machamp boss while psychic will do 118. In the 2.1 sec cool down difference you can squeeze almost 2 ES which do an additional 30 damage bringing the psychic to 148 with the added energy from 2 ES. The difference is minimal.

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Why would they be? I used this https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon-attack-explanation

and added 40% for super effectiveness.

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According to pokebattler P>SB.

Very small diffrence but P seems to be the better one( 0,5%) I can't find any matchup that SB beats psychic. Regardless if you dodge, don't dodge lvl 30,35,40

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You are using the correct formula. Check your math again. Eggy atk 248, champ Def 177, use lvl 30 so you can ignore CPM.

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4,9 cool down, 2/3 charges moves on machamp are two bar, I'd say you will probably be able to dodge enough charge moves if you use psychic that you can fire one more charge move.

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What matters is cycle damage per second. If a mon had a high damage, energy inefficient, charge attack, and a quick attack that generated energy rapidly, it would do well. It's about the whole picture, not just one aspect of it. And of course, all the damage or DPS in the world won't do you any good if you can't get a charge attack off because you get KO'd first.

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That is still a little weak.

You may win against a counter - close combat machamp but you will lose against other move sets.

I do not recommend that you try this:
- TM your Dragonite for Hurricane => not recommended since Outrage is better in general.
- Getting Future sight on your Espeons => probably not the best use of your TM.

You can try to improve your team by doing the following:
- obtaining 4 lvl 30 Alakazam/Espeon with future sight. You can find lvl 30 Eevee in the wild. 10km is not a big loss.
- obtaining another dragonite with Hurricane. That would be a good investment for more than Machamp.
- getting a Mewtwo. That would make things so easy...

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Some of this advice might be difficult to follow in a reasonable time frame if OP does not cheat (e.g. uses trackers).

Another easy and legit way would be adding Lugia to the team. From own experience I can tell that this makes a huge difference to one's performance in Machamp solos.

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I think you should power up the eggys to around 2500. Also try getting one more espeon or alakazam instead of one of the eggys or the dragon. I think you are close, you can give it a try and see how far you can go, but don't be discourage if you fail at first.
Another relatively easy option is to solo gengar with FB. If you can supplement the espeons with a good gengar and ttar you should be good. I find it easier than machamp.

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