Lapras or Cloyster? Thanks in advance.
I have a lapras 73% 11/11/11 with frost breath and ice beam and a 93% Cloyster a12/d15/s15 with frost breath and avalanche which would you power up? I have another lapras 95% but that one was has wg sadly. Lapras very rare here only ever hatched two and caught one. Thanks again.
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The way damage is calculated makes the defensive stat somewhat less impactful than HP in practice.
Floor(.5 X Power X ATK/DEF X STAB X Effective)+1
However on defense or offense both are important. It gets rather complicated but while both can act in ways that improve your Pokemon greatly adding HP also allows for more energy gain which is kind of a side benefit on offense or defense.
Depends on your priorities as well as the situation. I assume you are only going to use it against dragonite as it is the only opponent that these two will be used against.
If you don't want to waste as much time as well as potions, use cloyster.
If you want to take down more dragonites irrespective of time then go for the Lapras.
If faced with a 10 dragonite gym I'll take 6 cloyster over 6 lapras any day, because 1 Cloyster can still own 2 dragonite.
However if a gym composition is just so specific that you need to use 1 pokemon vs 3 dragonites, then I'll choose the Lapras.
If u're looking at taking down multiple dragonites, then Lapras (FB/IB) will be a better choice. U can consider to power it up now since Lapras is rare for u and 73% is gd enough for an attacker.
But if u want to take down single dragonite faster then Cloyster (FB/AV) is ur go to mon. For taking down more than 1 dragonite, it will depend on ur dodging skills and also the dodge bug.
I would not power any of these beyond lvl30 since their Cp is too low for gym placement.
But I would definitely not power up a Cloyster to any level. IF you want to use one of those as attacker IVs do not matter that much and then I'd go for a lvl28-30 50+ IV Shellder.
As prestiger I would evolve another one too which will be in the right cp range (probably 1300-1500 Cp).
For me, Shuckle, Jynx, (Sneasel), (Seel) and Swinub are easy to obtain. So I'd definitely catch some more of these before wasting any dust on them.
If PvP comes out or gyms change then Lapras might become more useful again. But anyways it seems like you can only obtain Lapras candies by walking it as your buddy - basically, that is correct for everyone I guess :D - and there are better options for your buddy imo.
By the way, I have about 5 ice prestigers against Nite but I nearly never use them because I only prestige against the mons below the Dragons.
The difference between a CP2300 maxed cloyster and a CP1900 cloyster is the following:
With the small one you need 3 more frostbreath to kill a CP3300 dragonite.
For me, i count 11 FB till i unleash both avalanches to kill instantly, or i count till 14 with a small cloyster.
This does not sound huge - but it is a difference. This may be about the time, the dragonite casts its first charged attack. Even with dodging, the difference is huge, with dodging bug it may be decicive whether you kill the second dragon or not.
It is a great feeling to take down a big evil dragonite so fast, that it does not even cast a charged move - and this is worth maxing my cloyster out.
I have only one hatched Lapras and a few candys, so i do not have a choice. I use my cloyster.
Lapras has a lower att-Stat, and when aiming for instant kill with two stacked charged moves, cloyster works better. - the best mon for this tactics is jynx btw.
With Lapras, you will almost always need a third charged move, and this will load dragonites energy and you will almost sure face at least one charged move.
Lapras is without a doubt more bulky, and will survive this charged move, even when a dodge is missed.
I am really not sure what is better. When my attacking tactics works, my cloyster kills two dragonites. When it does not work - i get a unexpected charged move and miss to dodge - i get no more than one dragon down.
I try to veil my uncertainty with wisdom and advice as follows:
Decide for yourself, your choice must match to your style. In calse of uncertainty, use Poke-Battler.
Both? Depends on purpose, but if I was fighting a gym with a few D'nite I'd go be the FB/IB Lapras (IVs aren't a dealbreaker), because it's a tank compared to Cloyster. But Cloyster is a great prestiger, I beat a 3k D'nite today with a 1399 CP Cloyster with IS/Av (OK, the D'nite had SW/HB, but I wasn't dodging). I have powered up a Cloyster to L36 (100% IVs), but I wouldn't do it again. Lapras is a bit rare & still special, & perhaps worth it for you. Good luck, & all the other comments are really great BTW
