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Karate Chop/Dynamic Punch?

Had a few Machamps from before last moveset change that were Karate Chop/Submission. How good would KC/DP be compared to C/DP? I know that while KC has lower DPS, it seems to make up for it with higher EPS.

Is it enough to make up the difference and maybe give better dodging?

Asked by oofty8 years ago
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Also interested to hear this as I have a lvl 20 96% KC/Sub

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I wasn't able to roll KC/DP but I did roll Close Combat and it's pretty crazy with Karate Chop (level 30, 75% or so IV).

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In theory KC is better than Counter

https://pokemon.gameinfo.io/en/pokemon/68-machamp has KC/DP as 97% but that doesn't look right to me.

7 Counters does 84 Base Damage and Generates 56 Energy in 6.3 Seconds

8 KC does 64 Base Damage and Generates 80 Energy in 6.4 Seconds.

20 Base Damage doesn't seem as good as 24 energy when DP has a ratio of turning 50 Energy into 90 Damage

A lot of these cases depend on how much energy you have left over at end of battle.

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I have both C/DP and KC/DP, hard to decide wich one is the better, but i dont regret using a TM on this guy :)

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I also have a level 20 KC/Sub that I never did anything with. So if/when I ever get a charge TM, I'm calling it now: I'm going to get Heavy Slam.

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If you run battles on pokebattler what I found is unfortunately karate chop sucks. I was going to use a TM on this guy but I would have to use two TMs because chop sucks I guess

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