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Just for fun: Make predictions on next Defenders List.

The attackers list changed based on the Beasts/Birds/Evolving Meta centered on raiding.

However, its only a matter of time before the Defender's list changes to take those same things into account.

I haven't seen any change to S list: Even the strong fires (Entei/Moltress) arent as good as machamp for S list. So that wouldnt move.

Dragonite remains A tier to me. Articuno just isn't enough of an upgrade to Lapras to matter.

Steelix is interesting. Do the Fires, drop it to B+ or not?

The addition of Zapados and Raikou change up the water pokemon on TierB+ B. I'd lower them all 1/3 a grade and gyrados 2/3. Raikou with WC is a legitimate sweeper candiate to just keep going.

Anything else anyone thinks would change?

Asked by Arak27 years 10 months ago
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Steelix is already reliably countered by Vaporeon due to it not taking super effective damage from Earthquake unlike Entei. Sure Moltres resists ground but that's one move which is suboptimal anyway, so Moltres is only a marginally better counter than Vaporeon, not worth dropping Steelix down a tier.

Like no ones going to max out Moltres purely for Steelixes, they aren't that common and when you do see one, Vaporeon does the job. If it's still ranked as A despite it being countered by the one of the most ubiquitous Pokemon in the game, then it's probably going to stay there.

Raikou and Zapdos are quite big upgrades over Jolteon, so I agree with Gyarados being lowered. For Vaporeon it's not so clear cut since grass has the advantage of resisting water, you've got different type counters whereas Gyarados has one type that is clearly better than any other type (electric).

Although to be honest I'm not too fussed what happens, I don't really pay attention to the lists, gyms are hardly a challenge for any experienced player now.

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by newton 7 years 10 months ago

Considering the counters for these Def-Mons already existed and were in play I dont think anything should change.

Now if they were able to be placed in gyms that would open real change to the D list

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