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Is it me, or is Bite-Crunch TTar Overrated?

I get that TTar is top DPS for dark types, but it leaves a lot to be desired.

First of all, there's not much use for Dark Type except for countering Psychic Type and Ghost Type. In basically every matchup for BOTH of those types, it gets outperformed by PC-SB Mewtwo and (by a lesser extent), Shadow Claw Gengar.

Though it's since come and gone, Alakazam was the most relevant soloable Tier 3, and in that matchup in particular, TTar's DPS was a severe letdown. At level 30, it only has a BARELY viable time (On Pokebattler, it clocks in at ~177 seconds when only charge moves are dodged). Though you technically have 180 seconds, the game usually needs a couple seconds to start, and the game needs a couple seconds to play the death animation -- leaving you with around 170 seconds. You'd need absolutely precise play in order for double dark Ttar to work -- otherwise, Alakazam solo is not possible unless you max out Ttar or use Gengar and Mewtwo.

In every other Dark-Weak tier 3 matchup, namely Jynx, Starmie, and Gengar, Ttar might have viable times, BUT: Jynx and Starmie have a secondary type that allows for much higher DPS counters (Moltres and Entei for Jynx, and Raikou and Zapdos for Starmie), and Gengar can be better soloed with Gengar and Mewtwo or high DPS psychic types like Espeon or Alakazam.

Ttar's strength is, therefore, its bulk and TDO when compared to counters like Mewtwo and Gengar. Yet, most GamePress write-ups laud Ttar as a high-DPS counter rather than a TDO one. Why is that? To me, Ttar seems overrated.

Asked by SpaceOpera7 years ago

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One of the biggest things Ttar has going for it is ease of access. You'll notice how most of the better options you mention are legendary and/or unobtainable:
-Shadow Claw Gengar is legacy and unobtainable
-Despite Niantic expanding the EX eligible pool, a lot of people are still without a Mewtwo
-The dogs and birds are out of raid rotation, and people who get them from research will need even more candies to power up than if they were obtained through raids.

Meanwhile Ttar has one of the longest raid campaigns going for it, bested only by Machamp (I think?), who turns out to be the best counter to it and even easier to obtain.

You'll notice those guides too also mention supplementing Ttar with higher DPS options for that very reason. Solo attempts should always start off with high-DPS and glass options and end with your bulky counters to get the job done. Ttar happens to have incredible DPS for being a tank.

Saying Tyranitar is outmached my machamop is blasphemy
(id liek to see punchy hands take on lugia)

But I agree, Tyranitar is the best, and most reliable pokemon, especially since its so easy to get and get candy for. ITs DPS maybe smaller than other, but only slight, and its bulk is there, it may have specific matchups but that is the case for LITERALLY EVERY pokemon, (case and point people saying machamp is the best attacker but cant do a thing to lugia, and tyranitar being the best attacker, but cant do a thing to machamp) Everything has what is it good at, and it just happens that Tyranitar is the perfect combination of bulk, DPS and moves for what it counters.

Your arguments against Machamp are only listing pokemon who have a type advantage against it and it's ridiculous. Every pokemon has a type weakness. No one is saying Machamp is the solution for every single battle. I'm beginning to think you were beat up by a four-armed bully as a kid.

Your hatred for Machamp doesnt even let you understand the meaning of the comment. You should stop your senseless arguments, usually when most of the people agree on something, its for a good reason.
He means Tyranitar has been available in raids the longest, only Machamp has been there longer.

What the hell are you on about now? Machamp is the sole reason a raid boss like Tyranitar can be taken down by only 2 people. Of course nobody would send one out against a Lugia because that's fucking stupid for the same reason nobody sends Raikou against a Groudon. At this point I'm going to assume you're baiting this entire website since no one can be this dense about it when slews of data and counterarguments have proven your anti-Machamp claims wrong.

Actually, someone posted a picture last winter of a Groudon raid where someone (not the poster) had a Raikou in there. Pretty funny. The poor Raikou even looked like it had an "excuse me, why am I here?" look on it's face.

But yes, bringing Raikou to a Groudon raid is pretty stupid. And so is arguing that Machamp is useless.

Machamp and Tyranitar have both been with us since the beginning of raids.

Tyranitar was briefly removed during the Kanto event. Due to this Machamp's been around the longest technically.

Ttar is hampered by having Crunch as its dark charge move. While its bulk and Atk stat make it feasible, just think of what it could do with Foul Play.

True, but most foul play users aren't good, if tyranitar had foul play, it would likely be broken

Foul Play isn't that amazing of a move, it's just better than Crunch. FP Tyranitar would still have worse DPS against psychic and ghost types than Mewtwo and Gengar. (source GP DPS/TDO rankings)

How about with Snarl or Feint Attack?

As was already mentioned, other options are harder to get. I don't have a Mewtwo. I do have a good SC/SB Gengar and I hate him because he is so fragile. You're argument against TTar because it isn't the best counter, would also argue Dragonite or any other dragon isn't worth it either, as dragon is only good vs dragon.

"First of all, there's not much use for Dark Type except for countering Psychic Type and Ghost Type."

That sounds like a good use already.

He's a lifesaver for certain Raid bosses with STAB Confusion. I personally only like to use him as a last resort tank because B/C is a monotonous moveset. I admit there are times when he's a must for me though

B/C Ttars are great for clearing gyms. Few mons resist dark, and you don't want a 1-bar charge move when clearing gyms.

Yup, I have more Ttar than any other species in my attacker ranks and I just use it as a gym clearer because their stats are so good that they can kill anything in a gym even with such a lame moveset. It can even take on Blissey without SE damage on its side. If Larvitar wasn't so common here I'd be even more screwed up potion-wise.

Most of the breakpoints for bite on Ttar are between L31 and L35. Due to the distribution of the breakpoints, L30 might as well be L26.
My 2 L35 BC Ttars are the backbone of my Gengar, Jynx, and Starmie solo teams (haven't gotten to try them on Zam yet). I suppose if you don't do many T3 solos, they wouldn't be as useful.

It has it use for sure, yes by itself B/C Tyranitar seem not very good damage wise, but it is the best sark type so far.
I need 4 B/C tyranitar at level 32-35 in my squad to my 1st win against T3 Alakazam last year, it continue what my 2 SC/SB done in damage..

After that, it already at good level so i just use it for Mewtwo, Latios,Latias, and the like, also in some T3 raid boss..

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