Absent a guide looking for other examples people have successfully done. Did one in cloudy weather yesterday with 8 machamps (4 lvl 38-40, 4 lvl 30-33), one Rhyperior (30), a rhydon (32), a golem (35) and a hariyama (33), all with optimal movesets. Needed one set of max revives and got it with about 18 seconds left. Had stone Edge, which I think is the easiest move to beat... What have other people done?
In any weather, Rhyperior and groudon are supreme counters, even cloudy machamp doesnt come close to them (level 30 its duoable with the ground types at best friends). Other than that, ive heard Rhydon, golem, the nido's, Flygon, swampert in neutral weather
For comparision, Machamp's DPs in cloudy vs bugbite/SE is 26.6, Rhyperior's 28 DPS
And if I had any Groudon's I'd definitely use them! I had one Rhyperior at the time - just evolved a second (98%, was contemplating saving for a possible CD, but decided it was worth having a second decent ground attacker). My partner had no Groudon or Rhyperior either, so we made do with what we had!
Even if you dont have Rhyperior, Rhydon isnt far behind. Against non iron headsets, its viable at level 30 for duos. When at the same level, the ground types outperform anything else.
Given what you had, the machamp are the better counters but only because the superior counters in a vacuum were underleveled. Had the rhyperior and Rhydon been higher leveled, they would have outperformed the machamp.
No we've seen other pokemon be switched out infavor of other options over small out DPS'ing, expecially when its that close because of weather boost and theres a sizable TDO difference, meaning not only is it doing less damage, but fainting out more often. In an actual raid, the difference is more than 1.4 DPS
Take away the boost, machamp drops hard.
In that senario, metagross has significantly more TDO, an external condition, in ever case Rhyperior bests machamp, better DPS and TDO, the comparison between metagross and machamp would differ in one having superior TDO and other in DPS, not one being in everyway better.
IOn the senario machamp has the superior DPS and the superior TDO to metagross, machamp is the better alternative, but when one has better TDO and the other DPS, there s no true better answer in general, it is down to the individual to make that judgement
Iron head specifically. The fight ends just after 30 seconds remaining. Technically speaking, L40 Gyarados still has a less than two estimator on Pokebattler with best friends in rain against both Stone Edge sets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/a7wvpl/heatran_duo_using_only_gyarados/
I spent a few hours driving around with a friend and we Duo’ed 6 total. Both had a team of level 30-40 Groudon. Fireblast was the hardest moveset, however we still beat every one with about a minute left. Caught a few with Pinaps. Wanted to get some candy in. It’s an easy Duo with Groudon. I didn’t try anything else.
