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Gym rebalance question

So just out of curiosity....if gyms ever get rebalanced to a system were a high defense stat matters more than CP, which Mons become more usable as defenders if they go to one name per gym.

Asked by SteveH23317 years 11 months ago
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Waiting for the shuckle towers...

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Steelix
Cloyster
Shuckle (!)
Golem
Blissey
Hypno
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…Slowbro
Vaporeon, of course
Poliwrath
Omastar
Lapras
^ time to get out the grasses and electrics
Venusaur
Donphan
Almost forgot Umbreon huge defense stat

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If the defensive stat alone acted as CP does only Omastar would be in gyms of the ones you listed. Just like now folks would put in whatever is guaranteed to not be at the bottom, or the top 9. The tenth place would be whatever but hopefully it would be used for Blissey. However she would be the first out and then you could take down the rest of the gym with one Vape and one Exeggutor

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this but Slowbro, Poliwrath and Umbreon all have highest defense
In order by attack/defense/stamina it's:
177/194/190 for Slowbro
182/187/180 for Poliwrath
And 126/250/190 for Umbreon
Plus, Omastar has a double weakness. The above don't. And like OP said, CP won't matter

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A defensive stat of 194 puts Slowbro at 80th overall although that includes legendaries. He wouldn't ever see a gym he could stay in if the order of CP was changed to highest defensive stat alone as the OP suggested.

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There's HP too. And moves. And typing. A lot to consider really. I'm disregarding CP bc even now Slowbro is obsolete. If the top spot meant getting to a gym first for example then I'd gladly throw one in given it knew Confusion

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Oh I agree. The op specifically asks about a system where ranking was "rebalanced to a system were a high defense stat matters more than CP". Not a new CP calculation. Not usability or how good they are. Maybe that's not what he meant but it's exactly what he typed. My list of mons below would be the new top defenders that you would see under the OPs parameters. I think we can all agree that would not work.

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by JHVS 7 years 12 months ago

That wouldn't make anything better. It would inarguably make gyms much worse. If CP counted the defensive stat more that would be great...but just the defensive stat?

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by 2Crom 7 years 12 months ago

Forretress

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by JHVS 7 years 12 months ago

Behold the new gym defenders.
1a Shuckle

  1. Steelix

2.Cloyster

3.Onix

4.Mantine

5.Skarmory

6.Umbreon

7.Forretress

8.Tentacruel

9.Mr. Mime

10.Golem

11Blissey

12.Omastar

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The thing is, they would have to be able to control not only what can get placed in a gym, but what can attack a gym.

There's no sense mandating that lower max CP pokemon be put in a gym, but then continue allow any bloke with a couple of Dragonite to tear through them.

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So we want Shuckle towers that we can only attack with Zubats?

Comrade Lenin thinks this is genius.

I grant that it would be fun for the week the game would last after this change.

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It might be fun to have 2 different CPs: attacking and defending. Add it stands now, CP more heavily weighs a pokemon's attack stat. If you swap defense, you get a new ranking of "Defensive CP". The mons listed above (Cloyster, Steelix, Scarmory, Umbreon, etc.) would be the new defenders, but the attackers would be the same. Blissey and Snorlax would still be excellent defenders, but Gyarados and Dragonite would be knocked down a couple pegs.

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I really think all these bandaids won't do a thing for diversity or stagnation in gyms.

People don't attack gyms because it's boring, a waste of time, resources and not really fun...

Yes, there will be someone here who LOVES to attack gyms and think it's the greatest thing, but compared to many games, it's a boring waste of 30-60 minutes tapping your screen and sliding every 2 seconds...It takes little to no skill and is merely a measure to see who can waste who's time the most...

For the gym rewamp to be successful, I really think ALL gym mechanics have to change from rankings, moves used, abilities, status effects, benefits for team members to hold the gym, no "lame" crap like shown in the Trainer Tips video where when you get say 4+ (or 16 in their case) attackers against one defender (so out of the spirit of the Pokemon shows there having 16 gang up on 1), it's a brainless tap for 4 seconds before the next Pokemon.

There should also be opportunity to get coins/dust hopefully for every team or reasons to interact with gyms if you are a minority team. You pretty much have to throw out everything that is about gyms now and design it from scratch.

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