Gym Attackers/Defenders Tier Lists ??
I understand the lists and have no real problem with what they represent, but I have a question. The current lists only list a Mon by type a single time.
What about the same Mon, but with a sub-optimal moveset?
Example:
A dragon with DT/O is tier 1, but where would a SW/O fall? Surely it would still be a top tier, maybe not 1 or 1.5, but maybe tier 2. It would still be better than quite a number of other mons.
I know this would make the list a bit harder to calculate, and definitely more confusing to read, but it would prove helpful to understand that it isn't absolutely necessary to have the A/A rated moveset and can still be effective.
Answers
Problem with figuring that out is that it multiplies the amount of work involved in the tier lists by a great deal.
I recommend doing some simulations of relevant situations - because quite frankly, the tier rankings are an oversimplification, particularly on attack. Ex: What are you going to attack with an alakazam? If it's a blissey, focus blast actually does better than future sight!
Also, don't forget about the meta. Where I am, a dragonite is a really bad defender with any moveset - big CP, but everyone has armies of Cloysters and Piloswines, both of which absolutely destroy 'nites, and quickly (and as we all know, battle time is important for attackers - and with 'nites in particularly because you can often take them out before they even get a charge move off). But other places people lvl 28+ are on here complaining how they just finally evolved their first ice pokemon and got a bad moveset, and are there any other mons they have that could be decent against dragonite.
To try to summarize the methodology, if I understand right, the tier list are the Mons and movesets vs top match ups what will occur. So though there are sub optimal movesets (dps wise, or may have modifer for STAB/SE) those are not taken into account for simplicity of the list. But there are other lists (from user ryanoftheday ?) that mention where other movesets fall in.
"Having a bad moveset substantially increases the attackers' power ratings, but obviously doesn't have much of an impact on time. Dragonite and Rhydon aren't too much hampered by having Steel Wing and Rock Smash, respectively - they compare similarly to the tier 3.5 defenders. Tyranitar and Gyarados, on the other hand, suffer greatly from having Bite."
Taken from the section "The Big 7 at their worst" from this page...
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/defender-comparison-using-pareto-frontiers
