Nothing set in stone yet, but I've been thinking about giving my Exeggutor a fast TM to get Extrasensory. I haven't used him in a while since the gym rework, and would like to start using him as one of my main attackers again. He is already maxed out to lvl 40, and currently has Zen Headbutt/Solarbeam, which, to my knowledge, ZH is a legacy quick move. GamePress lists both Zen Headbutt and Extrasensory as almost identical in every aspect, except ZH has two less energy gains per hit than ES. Despite that, ZH/SB is listed as B-tier for both ATK and DEF, while ES/SB is A-tier for ATK and DEF. Should I just ditch the legacy ZH and go for ES for more optimized damage output, or is the small difference merely trivial to change from ZH to ES? Thanks!
If you are going to TM it then Bullet Seed may be a better option - it is a better moveset unless it is a neutral opponent.
For the majority of things you will use a SoB Egg for, it is preferable to have Bullet Seed.
If it is a dual psychic moveset, then yes Extrasensory > ZH
CAVEAT - ZH is legacy and has the potential to change in the future to be stronger again - just something worth considering.
I agree, if you're going to TM, go for Bullet Seed. Even in a neutral situation where it may have lower DPS, Bullet Seed may be preferable to Extrasensory for the increased EPS.
Personally, I have powered up C/SB and BS/SB Exeggs, so I'm leaving the ones that have ZH as they are in case that move gets buffed.
Ahh, okay. I was under the impression that BS was a decent quick move, but wasn't as good as his Psychic quick moves. If BS helps in neutral situations and gains energy faster, then I'll consider giving him a TM for BS. For now, I think I'll hold onto ZH until Gen 3 release and see if movesets get revamped in some way. Appreciate the responses, guys!
Prior to the change in calculations of 'Super Effective' and 'Immunity' etc then psychic moves were better than BS.
Since the update to give the right opponent a better advantage (Super Effective change) then in most cases moves that take advantage of 'Super Effective' multipliers will be better than a neutral moveset - especially when comparing Es with Bs on Eggs.
TL/DR Es used to be better than BS, until they changed the damage multipliers for type advantage.
You can't go wrong TM'ing it. If you get BS, you will have the best grass attacker in the game. If you get ES, it will still be an improvement, because ES is identical to ZH in every way except that ES builds energy faster.
But as aSp said, BS is really what you want. ES/SoB is a respectable generalist, but there are plenty of other generalists that do the job better, and specialists are more important right now.
Well said. I think I'll give BS a shot and see how my Exeggutor fares with it. Although, the fact that ZH is legacy does slightly concern me in giving him a TM, as the possibility of Niantic revamping movesets can happen, and ZH could be a really good move down the line. Just to be safe, I'll hold off of the TM for now and see what happens after Gen 3 release. Thanks for the advice!
I was actually in your shoes once, too. I changed ZH to ES. And it languished with that moveset for a while, because I already had a C/SoB 'mon that I pulled out when I needed a generalist Eggs.
However, the game has shifted away from generalists to specialists. I just simply have no need for a dual-type Eggs when I have a Dragonite or a Tyranitar or a Raikou, etc.
What I DO have need of, on occasion, is a great Grass attacker, and that's what BS/SoB Eggs provides.
Even if they monstrously buff Zen Headbutt, will I really go to that Eggs when I have the aforementioned Pokemon? Don't sue me if that eventuality actually unfolds and you end up with regrets, but I just can't see a scenario where a dual-type Eggs will be more valuable than the specialists and uber-generalists I already have.
FWIW, I use my double-Grass Eggs exponentially more than when it had ZH or even ES.
I did the exact same thing. I had a ZH/SoB that I powered up and used as my main Vaporeon killer, back when it was important to have a Vaporeon killer, and Exeggutor had no grass quick move. I did the risk-free fast TM when TM's came out, and I got ES. It never saw much use with the new gym & raid system, but then when Omastar became a raid boss, I TM'd it to BS, and now it's my flagship grass-type attacker.
To your point about BS becoming legacy, in the beginning Eggy had no grass quick move, which narrowed the gap between it and the other big grasses (Venusaur, Vileplume, Victreebel). If they decide double-grass Eggy is too dominant, they could conceivably go back to only psychic quick moves, and then BS/SoB will be coveted like RT/RS Omastar.
