Espeon questions
I just got first Espeon today
HP/A/D
15/14/14 and got Confusion/Psybeam
I am now walking another Eevee with 14/14/14 IVs
questions
1) Should I charge TM the first one to get future sight
2) The second one is my best available Eevee. should I get a second Espeon or is Umbreon worth something?
Answers
Psybeam is the better one for defense. On offense Psybeam is not that useful because its unusually long duration, during which continuous firing of Confusion would have given almost the same DPS.
Psychic and Futuresight are not so great on defense, you may fire one before it dies and it will get dodged by the attacker. The difference between Psychic and Futuresight is equivalent to an extra Confusion.
Assuming that the most common gym defenders are, all with the overall best moveset: Blissey, Snorlax, Dragonite, Gyarados, Vaporeon, Tyranitar, Rhydon, Chansey, Machamp, Arcanine, Exeggutor.
Blissey:
Vaporeon: neutral damage, takes neutral damage back.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes NVE damage back, 1 point.
Snorlax:
Vaporeon: neutral damage, takes neutral damage back.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes NVE damage back, 1 point.
Dragonite:
Vaporeon: NVE damage, takes neutral damage back.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes neutral damage back, 2 points.
Gyarados:
Vaporeon: NVE damage, takes neutral damage back.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes SE damage back, 1 point.
Vaporeon:
Vaporeon: NVE damage, takes NVE damage back.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes neutral damage back.
Tyranitar:
Vaporeon: SE damage, takes NVE damage back, 6 points.
Espeon: NVE damage, takes SE damage back.
Rhydon:
Vaporeon: SE damage, takes neutral damage back, 2 points.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes neutral damage back.
Vaporeon 8v5 Espeon, against the top 7 most common gym defenders.
Tier 5 raids:
Suicune, assuming Extrasensory:
Vaporeon: NVE damage, takes NVE damage back.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes NVE damage back, 1 point.
Entei:
Vaporeon: SE damage, takes NVE damage back, 4 points.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes neutral damage back.
Raikou:
Vaporeon: neutral damage, takes SE damage back.
Espeon: neutral damage, takes neutral damage back, 2 points.
Vaporeon 4v3 Espeon in tier 5 raids, but Espeon, despite not being the best counter, is better against Raikou, very clearly, due to type effectivenesses.
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TL;DR:
Vaporeon is a good generalist, and Espeon is another good generalist, but they all have common matchups that they don't excel at. Vaporeon is better in the gym meta, while Espeon being a glass cannon, thus making it better for soloing tier 3 raid bosses.
Don't use Vaporeon against Exeggutors and Dragonites, Articuno will be better.
Don't use Espeons against Tyranitars, Machamps will be better.
They are usually are on par with each other in tier 4 raids, but for Mewtwo users, Espeons can sit comfortably on the bench. However, Vaporeon will still be the best overall water attacker until Gyarados learns Waterfall in gen 3.
You would never ever consider using Vaporeon against Suicune or Raikou so it's pointless to give points in this way. Vaporeon is the more niche attacker since it doesn't deal acceptable DPS unless it's SE, whereas Espeon is a lot glassier but will at least deal very high DPS even in neutral situations.
Which one is better in the gym meta depends on your area. Vaporeon is again only good against things it deals SE damage to, while Espeon is acceptable against anything that doesn't resist it.
it's useless to compare it that way. You only need 2 Pokémon for normal gyms: Dragonite & Machamp
Machamp because he cuts time when fighting bulky Blissey/Snorlax/Chansey/Ttar and Dragonite because it almost resists everything and is choosen by the auto selection already.
If auto selection gave you Raikou and you have to fight a water type do it if not Dragonite will do the job before you find Raikou if choosing team manually.
I see a lot of people choosing there pokemon for 5 Minutes and fight maybe 2min. Although it's almost impossible to lose a 6vs 6 match
Vaporeon good for Golem
Espeon good for Machamp & Gengar
chance to get Vaporeon 33%
chance to get Espeon 100%
--> Espeon is better
The way you're comparing them makes no sense. Espeon has very high neutral damage and gets a point over Vaporeon for DPS in every matchup where both are neutral. The damage difference is easily large enough. Vaporeon is a horrible generalist due to its low neutral DPS, while Espeon is an acceptable glass generalist due to a very high neutral DPS.
Also your typing is way off in so many places. Vaporeon resists Snorlax's best non-legacy charge move and one of Gary's charge moves. Espeon only takes SE damage from Bite and Crunch from Gary. The same Tyranitar moveset will never be resisted by Vaporeon and deal SE to Espeon. Vapo resists IT/FB, Espy takes SE from B/C. One or the other. Espeon resists RS out of Rhydon and takes SE from MH.
Don't use a good iv eevee for umbreon, it's not worth it. I did it to get sex entry, and I regret using a good iv one for it. It could of been an espeon. I still have 3 good 15 attack high iv espeon at 30, a 97 14 attack at 30 and 1 perfect one at 40. If u like umbreon than do it if it makes u happy but personally I like espeon better and I think it is a more useful pokemon. It's still relevant in the meta for raids against fighting and poison like machamp gengar victreebel and nido royalty. Use tm til u get futuresight it is worth it all the way. Confusion futuresight hits like a truck. Just get use to slow moves like confusion. Just tap one at a time so u don't queue up 2 confusions in a row so u can dodge a charge move. If u spam it u won't be able to dodge the raid boss charge move and will lose 75 percent of ur health. Therefore u will only get one fs off instead of 2 3. Feelsbadman when u have full bar and die before 2nd fs hits.
The answer always starts with "Do you need it for something?"
Are you working towards a Machamp/Gengar solo team? There is not really any reason to have more than one Espeon other than that. If you are doing that, you need more Espeons and you shouldn't care overmuch about the IVs since they don't make much difference.
1) If you are using the Espeon for something where you need a DPS increase. FS is a remarkable increase over either of the other charge moves. But any more widely used meta attackers should be your priority since Espeon is a specialist with a small niche.
2) Umbreon isn't good and doesn't have much chance of becoming good in the future either. I would make an Espeon if you want or need another good Espeon, otherwise just save the Eevee for Gen 4.
