Dude, stop complaining! Here's how you should be playing in the new gym system.
I've seen so many posts from ppl crying about getting less coins and having to change up their play style. Come on! The old gym system SUCKS! Now that Niantic has finally change it, take your time to think of the new optimal way to play before start crying on the Internet.
This is what I have came up so far:
In the old gyms system, the best way to play was always to occupy 10 gym forever in order to gain the most coins. However, to obtain the most coins under the new system, there are situations that you rather ALLOW enemies to take down your gyms. How to smartly circulate different players' defenders into the defending slot is the key to success. You always want to occupy enemy gyms
Since we probably won't have a stable income with the new system, you would want to be occupying more gyms at the same time, because that means you are more likely to have enough defenders returning and bringing back coins for you to reach the 50 coins/day cap. Check before you feed berries
You teammates won't get their coins back if their pokemons don't lose motivation. You don't wanna ruin their game by kidnapping their Dragonites in gyms, so don't feed friendly pokemons that have already stayed in gym for a long time. Think before you place your defender.
You can always place your unkillable Blissey to defend the gym forever, but defending a gym forever isn't meaningful. Consider putting a weaker Pidgey to attract enemy players to help you collect coins in remote area? Cheat users aren't as disastrous to the game as you think.
Yeah, since they use cheat, they can be anywhere anytime, but it doesn't mean they're collecting a crazy amount of coins. They can remotely feed berries to stop you from kicking out their defenders, but that also means they're not getting coins. Especially if you attack their gyms after they have defended for over 8 hours, they have ABSOLUTELY NO incentive to stop you from taking their gyms.
This is the same for dominant vs non-dominant team players. Mystic and Valor players probably will just allow you to take the gyms for a while, fellow Instinct people. Possible win-win-win situation?
Consider a case that there are 18 players, 6 from each team living near one gym only. The 6 red players started defending the gym, feeding berries, etc. After about 8 hours, they would stop feeding berries because they know further defending brings no benefit. So 6 blue players took the gym, for 8 hours. Then the yellow team has another 8 hours before the Red team wanna take over again.
In the above case, one gym can "satisfy" 18 players nearby per day without upsetting anyone. Is it possible to start cooperating with your neighborhood? Don't spend all your resources now.
There has never been such a big change in PoGo before, Niantic is probably still looking for things to change and numbers to tune other than that "1 coin per 10 minutes and 50 coins per day cap" thingy. Therefore, don't spam berries, don't spam potions, don't buy a huge amount of anything yet. Wait for the players to optimize their play style and wait for Niantic to finish tuning their numbers is probably a wiser move.
Having to change up what you usually do feels bad, but playing a game of circulation is better than a game of stagnation. I do agree that receiving less rewards feels bad right now, but I don't think it will stay like this forever. Think about how many times have Niantic tried (and failed) to change the prestige calculation in the old system? They are willing to change things up. The reduction in coins rewarded might just be temporary to protect them from anything explosive.
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I wish i could thumbs up this a hundred times.
I see way to many people complaining about the game instead of doing something to figure out how to have fun.
I agree with a lot of complaints but instead of cry I figured out how to have fun.
My new goal is to be able to solo all the lvl 3 gyms with 6 ideal counters.
I soloed a machamp today and managed to catch it(with 87IV and counter/close combat!) because I happened to have 6 idealpsychics that I used in the old gym system. When I beat it it gave me hope that I could find life in the game. I have a couple of counters for the other lvl 3's but not 6 so my new goal is to get 6 good counters.
I also get enjoyment fighting gyms so I can raise my win count on my pokes so personally I attack enemy gyms regardless if I give them their coins. I like seeing my mons win.
So my end game is to have 6 counters for the lvl 3's and raise my win count. That's pretty fun and still shows my strength.
I understand the new system is different and lacking in some areas but if you don't like pogo then either quit or figure out what you can do to stay in the game.
-if you want to know my mons and moves used to defeat machamp let me know. It wasn't easy but I know it's possible.
I've also soloed 2 muk, exeggutor and bayleef
if you attack their gyms after they have defended for over 8 hours, they have ABSOLUTELY NO incentive to stop you from taking their gyms. Look to snipe? Also, if they're in the dominant team, they probably just need to defend their 3 gyms for 3 hours each. That means you get more chances. How is that less active than old stagnant Blissey towers?
Your effort weren't useless. Think of how much coins you have already collected pre-update. The reason we should stop complaining is because we need to use our brain on more useful thoughts like how to optimize our game play under the new system.
I feel your pain about the bug tho. Super annoying, the fights are more laggy post-update.
Coop is already here in my city, we got 2 gyms close to each other one instinct one valor and we switch every day attacking each others gym so yeah just need to adapt and 50 coins a day may be a lot for people who were never abble to get more the 10 or 20 coins a day.
The systeme is less attractive to get coins but make gyms much more interactive and allow lower lvl to have a shot in gyms which wasn't the case earlier.
Honestly stfu and stop kissing their ass, look at the facts! You need to feed 250 berries for the 5000 dust we could get DAILY and you can only get a maximum of half the coins you could get before are you THAT bad at math they took away 70 percent of our gym earnings and we have no reason to complain??? Open your eyes we even need to put in 2 to 3 times more work for so much less
honestly stfu and stop kissing the old gyms' ass? lol, u're super rude.
The fact is, many ppl including me have NEVER had a chance to get more than 50 coins a day because we live in crowded cities that gyms could never survived more than 2 hours. OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE US. we had to fight enemy gyms every time if we want coins.
You are spending more effort now because YOU WEREN'T REALLY PLAYING THE GAME BEFORE, you were passively receiving rent! ppl like me are receiving more coins with less efforts now because only one person has to fight, 6 ppl can get a similar amount of coins.
i am not bad at math, i am good at seeing regional differences.
Bitch please, I went out every day to get 5 different gyms everyday some would stay a day or 2 but I went out to take down big gyms everyday and apparently I played way more than you ever played this game because I could claim 6-8 gyms with 2 -3 hours of work now there is no point you are just being selfish because you never played this game, when did you start like last week?? honestly some people
I play 100% legit, spent loads of money and even way way more time and now niantic cuts off any earnings I had, you have no foot to stand on with your arguments, the only good thing about this is beginning players have a chance, but a lot af players will now only free-load and not take gyms over at all only to sit in free spots whilst I ALWAYS PRESTIGED FREE SPOTS FOR OTHERS
Let me add to this by saying I can't drive so I go by bike, bus or train and I played in 4 cities all the time, what is your excuse?
bitch plz, can u not be so rude?
u are addicted to the game doesn't mean ur opinions on the game is correct. 50 is not 70% of 100, (and u don't know how much i've played, do u?)
good to know that u are actually playing the game and helping others, but i do wanna point out one very serious mistake about playing games:
The ultimate goal of playing games like PoGo should be HAVING FUN, and the fun should come from things like "reaching the my goal in game" or "optimizing my game play". Rewards like coins, stardusts, and candies are supposed to be "indicators" of your achievement. Don't just look at how little u're "earning" and put stress on urself to earn more. Games are supposed to be a relieve. Focus on the fun u have had while fulfilling ur plan and achieving ur goals, that should help with ur rage problem.
So the "part time" player told "full time" player "stop complaining!"? :)
I think is good to have your own view for new system, but not so good to stop ppl feed back the issue in new system. this should be the way to make the game to be better in future.
I believe you are happy because you are the majority team in your town, but you will feel boring after more minor team player quit..
You are just not getting it! you lose 50 % on coins
When you claim 6 gyms you get 3000 dust to get this you need to feed 150 berries, BUT you can only feed 10 berries every 15 minutes, at 1 gym, you starting to see the problem for 8 gyms you need 200 berries, you can only live in a city with 20 gyms that are all you colour if you don't want to wait, otherwise you need 5 hours of feeding 200 berries to 1 gym or 2 and a half hours for feeding 200 berries to 2 gyms, the point is this is REALLY BAD AND REALLY CHEAP you do the math on how much time it takes to get 250 berries daily in the first place and then go and spend them!, I only ever had a maximum of 150 berries on me at a time now I have to spend this daily ti get less dust for what I used to get hell no I am not happy
Same for me, but i went to other cities and villages nearby where my team had the majority.
Had 4 gyms where my parents live, 200 km from my city.
Sometimes when i visited people in different areas I looked up if there where gyms to prestige before heading home.
So yeah 'passively receiving rent', you could have put in some more effort before.
Well blissey isnt really good now, my 2 are kidnapped for 1,5 day now and people keep feeding them. Gyarados is better, because a lot of people intend not to feed it.
The only problem with this system is, that I can't make sure i get coins.
The raids are fun, exchanged some phone numbers for future lv 4 raids.
This is the second thread you make to say why you like this new system and why the people that don't like is wrong, 2 days in a row, I won't even bother to answer you point by point, but I will say this new sytem does not reward either offense or defense, while the old one despite all its flaws rewarded you for having mons all the way to the max at least, giving you a higher spot and more coins and dust, and at least if you took down a gym you guarantee yourself 10 coins and 500 dust no mater what.
And I am not saying that I liked the old either, but for me at this point it was better than this one for sure.
Now it does not matter what you do, how many you play, or what mon do you have, if your mon is not kicked out you get no coins, if your mon is the first in because you have beaten the gym you will most likely not get coins (or get 1 or 2 that for me is equal to nothing).
And you say people has to change their strategy? Their is NO strategy at all, just put any mon in the gym and pray that it will come back somewhere between 2-8 hours, that someone else defeat it during that time period and that your team mates don't feed him, nothing else, what strategy is in that?
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/q-a/new-gym-system-much-better
Exactly and the maximum is feeding 10 berries for 20 dust each so maximum 200 dust there, people with only one gym are at an enormous disadvantage!
They need to wait before being able to feed again, and you need to feed 250 berries for 5000 dust which was the previous reward, it takes 5 hours to get 5000!
How in the hell is this not remotly consired not a nerf, and why aren't more people complaining!?
i'm not saying complaining is wrong, i'm saying there are way too many complains about a good change in the game. i feel sick seeing so many complains that i think is irrational, just like how people feel sick playing under the new gyms system. Most of this post isn't even about people, this post is mostly about strategy. If you are too shock about my clickbait title, i'm sorry.
On the game design part, i don't think u have consider everything yet. If u put ur pokemon in highly contested gyms, of course u can only get 1 coin, but it's 1 coin FOR NOW. You can fight other gyms later on. In the old system, if you do the same thing, yea, 10 coins, FOR THAT DAY, and you don't wanna defend either, you've GOTTEN the coins anyway.
It shows that the daily "defender bonus" idea is what discourages you from offense and defense. Whereas in the new system, both offense and defense opens up more opportunity for me to get more reward. i.e. attacking will get coins later, defending will get me more coins. How is that not rewarding?
The discussion could go on, but I guess the only thing we could all agree right now is that the old system sucks.
Think a bit about somethings that you have just said, like this:
"both offense and defense opens up more opportunity for me to get more reward. i.e. attacking will get coins later, defending will get me more coins".
Completely false, attacking or defending will give you exactly 0 extra coins and dust when you reach your daily amount of 50, with this system it does not matter if you take down 20 gyms or 1, if your mon stays 8 hours or 500 hours, because you will get exactly the same for it, 50 coins max, not more, if your defender stays in a gym for 10 months it will come back to you with 50 coins and 0 dust ( and this if that day you have not get coins, if you have, then it will come back to you after 10 months with NOTHING).
Exactly the same as if you take down a hole gym on your own, put a mon and got kicked out in the first 10 or 20 mins, you are the first one in, you will be the first one out and you will get 0 or 1 coins and 0 dust, which equals to NOTHING again.
I hope Niantic changes things fast, else the game would self-destruct. Gyms in my city are not being knocked off because other teams just don't care to hit gyms. What is my fault. Why should I not get coins despite being an active player? Your points mentioned above are useless if there are no attacks on my demotivated gym. There is no benefit in being strong except in raid battles where enough people don't turn up. This is an update for spoofers or those with multiple accounts with different teams.
Why are you defending this change saying the old system sucked ?? The old system was fine and made sense .... this system makes no sense and is probably easier for you because your no top player so your weak and defending it cause it makes it easier for you.
Maybe the NBA NHL MLB NFL should get rid of all the Best players of the world and have any dingo play ... and you would defend that too cause maybe that means YOU could have a chance at playing.
This new system cateres to the weak ... wouldn't be surprised that after the initial bump in traffic because it's all new .... revenue and such plummet for them.
Regarding point #2
There is a conflict of interest here. While one's teammates may wish to retrieve their defenders, one doesn't have to give a fuck about them and would just continue to stuff their mons with berries in order to level up one's gym badge.
re point #3,
this is no good, players should be given strong incentive to power up strong defenders and place them in gyms (just as one would want to power up attackers for gym raids). the fact that gym motivation diminishes at a faster rate for high cp mons defeats the purpose of collecting and powering up bulky mons with sub-par attack (blissey and snorlax).
