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Does psychic help gengar in any situation?

At all?

Asked by MasterMaverikk6 years 6 months ago

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Makes it an even bigger wall against machamp... Triple resistance now with a super effective hard to dodge charge move.

But even with super effective damage, Psychic is such a bad move that shadow ball and Sludge Bomb both outperform it against machamp.

I think he's getting at defensively, which why are you putting single bar charge moves on a defensive Gengar? Why are you even using a defensive Gengar?

But defensively its resistances don't change with a different move (it's still triply resistant whether it's move is SB, SB or Psychic).

Part of the original comment:
"now with a super effective hard to dodge charge move"

Pretty sure he meant as a defender, ease of dodging the move means nothing if the attack is being used on offense.

Defensively Sludge Bomb might be his best - it's harder to dodge than psychic and still does more damage against machamp even though it's not super effective. Plus it's two bars so he might actually get to use it!

We've hilariously come full circle to the point of my original response here. Psychic offers Gengar zero utility on offense or defense, it's a novelty and nothing more.

I actually think the CP rework will benefit Gengar heavily. It's one of the few mons with relatively good balancedphysical and special defense stat and will earn valuable HP as a result of the new formula, so it may get somewhat useable for gym defense. With ShB or SgB, I mean, not with Psychic :D

The CP rework will improve Gengar's survivability and it will be useful on offense, but I doubt it will be enough to make it a viable defender. Pure intuition though, this will have to be proven with fact.

Probably not.

Gengar is not gonna be better than high attack psychic types with STAB.

None whatsoever.

On offense Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb have higher DPS against fighting types. Against poison types any moveset with Shadow Ball has higher DPS. Gengar is too frail to even consider single bar charge moves on defense.

Get your shiny and call it quits. There's no reason to go hog wild here.

I imagine my kids will use every pass they have - it's my four year old's favorite mon.

I'm only dipping into the premium supply if I haven't found a shiny within the 5-6 freebies. After that I'm chalking it up as a wash, I'm not spending money on this one.

It does, it finally kills off the SC gengar returning speculation, so in a way, its the strongest move it could have gotten

(In all seriousness, no, Psychic's a trash move, and the reason psychic mewtwo's as limited as it is)

I agree that Psychic's trash but I'd hardly call dealing the highest DPS of your respective type across all generations as "limited". Deoxys-A notwithstanding because a stiff breeze knocks it out.

Its limited because its not good for general usage. YEs I know mewtwo's the best psychic type, but can you honeslty tell me you'd use a psychic mewtwo over any other pokemon for generalist usage? Mewtwo is a psychic specialist, and while I agree it is RUTHLESSLY efficient at doing that, its still just a specialist.

We dont r put Groudon on the same pedestal, and its in the same position as mewtwo, best attacker of type across all gens, but limited to just a specialist.

Agree on deoxys, I think we should remove it from all DPS charts because it glass cannons so hard it loses the cannon

I think Niantic is trying to figure out how to buff Deoxys. The CP rebalanced that got rerolled buffed its tankiness by 37% (all forms), way more than other Pokemon. Its still unusable, but I bet they will try to make Deoxys usable before releasing the other forms. Giratina as tier 5 and Deoxys as tier 6 can't be very good moneymakers right now

You specifically said Psychic the move is why Mewtwo was limited though, not Psychic the type. Psychic may be a trash move but that's not the reason we see so few Mewtwo packing it.

With current values and data, absolutely none. Even as a bulky machamp counter, shadow ball is just better.

I'll just try to get a shiny and possibly keep 1 Gengar with the new moveset in case something changes. I'd suggest you do the same if you can spare one slot for him

Let's think of the absolute most edge use

Hex/Psychic Gengar ***very slightly*** outdamages Hex/Shadow Ball vs Toxicroak; does less than SC/SB, and has the highest DPS in all movesets in Windy weather. Though that brings up the question as to why you wouldn't just use an actual Psychic type instead.

Against Machamp, Hex/SB does more than Hex/Psychic in Windy weather.

So really, not worth it outside of a collector's item. You could keep a few in the event Psychic gets buffed but really you'd rather just use an actual Psychic Pokemon in that case.

It only helps making Niantic look more like they are on thin ice and us more like fools for spending on this SHIT. First Giratina then this. Seriously.