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Do you only really need 3 groups of prestigers?

I make the argument that you only really need 3 groups of prestigers in this game, and once you have 6 of each, you really don't need to find more and you can send the rest to the professor for more bag space.

They are

Wigglytuff (widely recognised as the best overall prestiger) with Pound/Play Rough or HB

This is for general matchups, Snorlax, Blissey, and also for when you just don't know what to use, for anything except rock/fire types.

Vaporeon (or any other other water type e,g, Blastoise, Golduck, Starmie), water gun hydro pump.

For the Rhydon/Fire types (which Play rough is ineffective against):

Lantern (or any other electric type) charge beam/thunder or thunderbolt.

For the water types, and Gyarados in particular.

Less effective would be a pure electric type as this loses the water resistance. Could also subdivide it to electric prestigers (raichu electabuzz etc) only for Gyarados and grass prestigers (tangela meganium etc) for water types, but Lantern is the best of both worlds.

I can't seem to find another scenario in which these three cannot cover. In particular, the 'top 7' defenders are covered respectively by:

Blissey (Wiggly)
Snorlax (Wiggly)
Dragonite (Wiggly) *Prestiging against Steel Wing Dragonite is borderline but ice prestigers don't do that much better
Tyranitar (Water type)
Gyarados (Lantern or electric type)
Rhydon (Water type)
Vaporeon (Lantern or grass type)

Assume anything below these 7, can also be solved by a wiggly.

Thoughts on this?

Asked by Lecafe888 years 1 month ago

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You don't even really need Lanturn or any electric types, you can cover basically everything with Wigglytuff and Vapes. Wiggly is really good against Gyarados, in particular, as it resists Bite and Dragon Tail.

True, didn't think about the the resistance on quick moves, but a Raichu kills gyarados much faster and lanturn does resists the dreaded HP (which kills basically all prestigers even when dodged). I'd probably still be inclined to use an electric over a wiggly. Also helps that most Raichu evolves (if you hatch a pichu or pikachu), are in the 1200 CP Range.

Pure grass type mons (Tangela, Meganium) for Rhydon since ground moves are NVE against grass.

True, it's great to add a NVE to Rhydon attacks, but it's not that Vapes/other WG/HP users cannot comfortably defeat it anyway.

Bellosum might be useful in that list too as a prestiger, too bad mine came with DG.

In my view, any double ice Pokémon is a better prestiger than Wiggly against Dragonite because of the double effectiveness.

Agreed. Especially Lapras, Cloyster and Dewgong, due to their dual typing (neutral damage from Steel Wing)

As Primal already said any 2 ice move mon will do better against Dragonite than Wiggly, I myself never use Wiggly to prestige, I prefer to use different mon everyday, there are sooo many options to fight on the 1k-1.3k CP range that I find boring to use the same mon over and over again, I already use the same group to take down gyms (Dragonite, Gyarados, Exegguttor, Vaporeon...), why limit myself also on prestige side? There are plenty of mons with a nice attack and defense and potion efficient if you like to dodge like I do.

And after certain level (I am almost 36), unless you prestige like 20 gyms per day you can get enough potions and revives, I even have to trow them away a lot of times because I need more ball space. It is true that there are not many gyms in my area (11), but I don't have many stops either, I play every day and never had resources troubles, still have 120 max revives and 140 max potions saved that I never use them, normally I prestige with a team, heal them with regular potions I find during the day and use a different team on each gym.

Some mon that I use maybe more are second/third evolutions of starters, Butterfree, Raichu, Pidgeot, Vileplume, Tangela, Victreebel, Parasect, Cloyster, Magmar, Umbreon, Electrode and Magneton.

Good list but I would also add Lapras with ice move sets to prestige dragonites and Flareon for the occasional Exeggutor.

Tonight I just prestiged a level 9 gym of only dragonites with a fresh team of 6 laprases with all ice moves that I caught during this event.

Scyther/paras/bugs are faster prestigers against eggs - double effective

You ever mess around with Cloysters for prestiging Dragonites? Most of their effective health comes via defense stat, so they're very potion efficient.

Give it a shot :)

i just have a bunch of exeggutor and wigglies, and that is all i need

Good post!

From the least occupied mon space perspective, yes, I think your proposal is excellent.
Also from the perspective of speed of choosing the team your suggestions are excellent (assuming you name them with something like * or @ to be first when sorted by name).
From perspective of time spent to battle your proposal is medium.
From potion perspective, I don't know, I don't care about that; when out of potions, suicide squad works best for me.
From a diversity perspective, that is the place where your proposal fails unless it is compensated by suicide squads instead of just send the other mons alive to professor.

I'd suggest comparing some other prestiger analysis or lists of mons that have double/triple type advantages. For example, Dragonite is double weak to ice, Tyranitar is double weak to fight, grass can be triple effective vs Rhydon (double effective + resists), etc. Many general prestigers are better than Wigglytuff with the gen 2 move/mon changes, such as Skarmory or Umbreon. SW/SA Skarmory is especially effective against Snorlax since it resists all but 2 possible Snorlax moves. Fighting types are also a good option, for those who prefer faster matches. As such, fighting types are one of the few things that can prestige Blissey in the time limit (Wigglytuff certainly can not), especially if they have one of the new, buffed up movesets, such as C/DP.

Good argument, but it really depends on what kind of prestige you are thinking of getting out of the Blissey. Fighting pokemon definitely do the job faster, but at a heavy cost, as ZH is super effective onto them and you definitely cannot dodge and prestige a blissey. You can expend 1 Wiggly and a half dodging only charged moves to prestige a blissey. I think you probably need 2 fighting mons (machoke, primeape whatever) to prestige one blissey only dodging charge moves and eating all the ZH damage.

For the timing issue, against a 2500+CP Blissey, my 1067 Wiggly definitely cannot defeat it in time. However, my 1536 CP one probably can. I have to take the hit on getting the max prestige, yes, but I can defeat it, I just need a more powerful wiggly.

" I think you probably need 2 fighting mons (machoke, primeape whatever) to prestige one blissey only dodging charge moves and eating all the ZH damage."

In simulation, good fighting types with DP take similar damage to Wigglytuff while finishing much faster. Examples include Machoke KC/DP and Polywrath B/DP. An exception occurs when the Blissey has a double Psychic moveset (ZH/P), in which case, other options may be better.

By the way for me i need a prestige team which got 1350-1450wp and i think it will keep rising up because gyms wp getting higher and higher.

I haven't try a Wiggly can defeat a Blissey with CP 2K+... I guess She has trouble of time....

I use Wigglys and Parasect as primary prestigers. I have the groups of 6 each all around the 1000cp mark. Work extremely well against most anything.

you need one lapras for dragonites
among all vaporeons and wigglys

lanturn with electric moves would be nice, at least to try out vs gyarados

You don't need that many mons, even though I have a TON of prestigers:

Parasect with Solar Beam
Vap with HP
Jolteon
Umbreon or double bug Pinsir/parasect great vs Psychic
Pidgeot with Wing Attack (legacy) and Hurricane. Can also use Air Slash - great vs Snorlax

These do a great job and are fairly easy to obtain. Parasect is amazing for prestige.

According to the good folks at Pokebattler.com..

"When all the Pokemon with level not suitable for prestiging and the ones who take a lot of time to beat an opponent are removed from the rankings, the top 10 overall prestigers list (with their best movesets), based on these simulations, looks like this: