It's not the most exciting EX boss because it'll likely be a useless dex entry, but it does force players to show up multiple times to get all the forms so it's pretty easy to see why Niantic went with it. They can buy at least 2-3 months of time with it until they're maybe ready to introduce something new from gen 4.
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Deoxys in ex raids; Niantic are trolling us!
Niantic must know this Pokemon is garbage and no one cares for it. It looks like a squiggle a five year old kid has drawn with red and blue crayons. So why is this abomination coming to ex raids?
IMO this is Niantics way of getting back at us for all the criticism we've made of their ex raid system. They'll force hardcore players to turn up at 11am on Monday morning or whenever, to do a raid for a useless pokemon. And it has four forms, so those players will be forced to do it at least four times!
On the other hand some less hardcore players simply won't be interested in this abomination, so they won't go out of their way to attend ex raids. But then those players aren't going to be able to complete their dex! So whether you're hardcore or not it's lose-lose.
It's not like Niantic are going to make a heap of money out of it. Deoxys as a ex raid just doesn't make sense, except as a way to troll us.
P.S. Deoxys is mythical so you cannot get around this by trading.
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Why's everyone assuming you'll have to catch all the forms? I'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but in the main series games you would catch the regular form and it could change to any of the other forms. It would also be surprising because it would be normalizing having multiples of the same legendary, of course you can always catch as many as you like in PoGo, but legendaries/mythicals are suppose to be unique.
Because this is POGO, not the main series. There's already presedence that different forms have to be caught separately (Castform). POGO has also normalized having multiples of the same legendary ages ago. If Deoxys was going to be limited to 1 copy per player like other mythicals so far, it wouldn't have become an EX boss.
Catching the deformed rat was part of my childhood :P
Niantic would have to implement new coding for Deoxys to switch forms, so i imagine they'll simply make us catch four different forms. The fact they've given it such a terrible movepool suggests Niantic have no intention of this pokemon having any value in the meta at all.
"Mythical" has become an official term used by TPC to brand Pokemon such as Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and yes, Deoxys. It even calls Deoxys mythical in the images of the push notification floating around, whether it is or not isn't up for debate.
Also the word you're looking for is "irredeemable", much like your post.
Your opinion on it's appearance is just your opinion. Second of all how do you know that all forms will have to be caught separately? In the main series games you had access to all forms from one Deoxys. Finally, it's unlikely Deoxys will be some super meta mon, but they will almost definitely buff psycho boost and probably make it the best psychic move in the game. So it could be a fun glass cannon with niche applications.
Niantic isn't "getting back at us" for disliking ex raids, you think like a child... There isn't a bunch of people in Niantic scheming revenge against their own player base who they rely on to succeed you nutter. Also Deoxys isn't even officially an ex raid boss yet.
I highly doubt you will be able to change one Deoxys into all forms. They would have to add new code for that kind of functionality and it would directly conflict with how they've released other form-changing mons so far. And it would take away a major incentive to keep going to EX raids. If I'm fine with one Deoxys, you can bet I won't go out of my way to attend raids at Niantic's schedules after I get that first one.
What other released form-changing mons are you referring to? The only one I can think of is castform but that's still very different. Castform changed depending on the weather in battle, which is much harder to do in PoGo because the player doesn't control when the weather changes in real life. Whereas Deoxys changed on the players command so I could easily see them implementing a way to change its form. They might not do it, but if they can code Pokemon evolving I'm pretty sure they can easily code a pokemons sprite switching and it's base stats...
Castform is the one yes. Regardless of the mechanics of how it changes, the fact is that Niantic has not introduced that kind of functionality into the game and doing so would involve extra work for a very small subset of pokemon. It's also better for their business model because POGO revolves a lot around collecting, having to get all the forms separately creates more content. There's absolutely no reason to assume they would do extra work to reduce the worth that Deoxys has for them as an EX raid boss. I don't think there is an argument you can make that people would stay interested in it as long if they didn't have to get all the forms since it has minimal potential to be impactful in the meta.
The mechanics do matter. What if the weather changed mid fight, or mid trade etc? The fact that you would control when Deoxys changes and only from a static menu would greatly reduce the chances of something breaking. The reason for implementing it could be for respect and consistency of the Pokemon world/brand, especially with the next main series games trying to get pogo players to come over. Niantic and 99% of players might not care but the Pokemon company keep a close eye on the game. Deoxys is not 4 different Pokemon, it's Deoxys; and the fact is changes forms at will is what makes it unique and interesting. You take that away and it's just 4 bland separate psychic types. I would be dissapointed if Niantic took the easy way out instead of maybe releasing research task which get you different meteorites that change deoxys' form (again like the main series). I think there's still a good chance it will just be 4 different raids too, but my point was it's not guaranteed like many people are making out.
Also people losing interest hasn't seemed to bother Niantic before, tons of people are fed up with Mewtwo as the only ex.
Mewtwo has been the EX boss for almost a year already. People would get bored of Deoxys within a month if there are no alternate forms to catch.
Yes, implementation of the mechanics could be different but that's not the core of the problem, the core is the extra work needed for a net result of reducing the amount of collectible content. I think you have a very optimistic view on how respectful Niantic is towards the main series but you are entitled to that opinion.
However, I do not see logical arguments here that support having dynamic forms. "Being respectful to the original" isn't a compelling reason for them unless Nintendo literally compels them to do it. And Nintendo has so far ignored a lot of glaring flaws with Niantic's interpretation of the IP, like originally powerful legendaries being lackluster or completely useless in POGO. Exhibit number one would be Suicune who apparently used to be meta-defining in the main series PvP.
Of course there's no guarantee of anything. I just think it's massively more likely that it'll be 4 different raids and I've provided the reasoning why I think that is.
Not that I have a horse in this race, but Niantic has done a ton of stuff that hasn't been consistent with the Pokemon world. Why do some evolutions require stones while others don't? It would have been easy enough to add the other 5 stones in but they didn't.
I'm super glad trading isn't required for trade evolutions but the fact that it isn't is a glaring inconsistency with the main series.
For a more technical example, why does every Pokemon have the same stardust/candy requirement for power up despite massive differences in potential? Different level curves exist in the main series. The fact that Pidgey, Charmander, Ho-Oh, and Wailord all require the same resources to power up is pretty inconsistent.
I don't particularly care if Deoxys's form can be changed on the fly or not, but if I was to put a bet on it I'd guess the form is predetermined upon catch.
You both gave examples of consistency in the power/balance of pokemon. I said of the Pokemon World/Brand, not power level. Suicune can't be good in PoGo because defense is useless for legends, so when Suicune was the best wall Pokemon back in Gen 2 that's obviously not going to translate. There are tons of spin off games such as the mystery dungeon series where Pokemon have to evolve through different means because of the absence of trading. Again it's about keeping the Pokemon world as consistent as possible, and I think at this stage of the game they should be able to make quite an iconic mythical Pokemon have different forms, seeming as that's the whole point of Deoxys. It is a bit strange they didn't just give eevee the evolution stones and then later introduced sun stone/metal coat etc anyway. But I can understand it. When first releasing the game I would worry about how the evolution items would be distributed, because you don't want to keep getting stones from pokestops that you can't use filling up your bag. And sure enough when they introduced evolution items that kinda happened, I got tons of them from the 7 day spin that I don't want. Also what do you do when you're in Gen 4 and have a ton of evolution items and a new player has to somehow get all of these items. One last point is that Niantic normally caters to the casual fans, if the ex raids will randomize Deoxys form every time it's going to be pretty hard to get into enough ex raids to get all the forms. I definitely won't be able to. So again, I agree with a lot of what you say but I'm just saying i'll lose even more respect for Niantic if they ruin the niche of a Pokemon just to pad out the game. It looks like it's announced now anyway so we'll see soon, it's just the normale form at the moment but they haven't discussed it being able to transform... Knowing Niantic we'll get neither and be stuck with just the normal form for a year xD
