There's no more use in trying to find logic in this new gym system. I used to hold 12-35 gyms daily during the old system. I'm holding 2 gyms currently. I lost all motivation in gyms and no amount of berries fed to me is going to raise it. I focus on raids now. It's cool but it's just button smashing - old gym system I used dodge all strategy and it was fun taking down a level 10 gym. So sad what happened. Bunch of newbs and casuals seem to be rejoicing now. They can have the gyms. I'm a very competitive person and there is no spirit of competition left in gyming with this completely moronic coin and motivation system
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My brother had pokemon inside gym over 90 hours and it was his only gym, today it returned with 50 coins.......
First i was so glad about the update but now i realize that nobody will get coins in heavy dominant areas where ppl rarely attack gyms.
(expect old shavers, whos job is only starting)
Pokemon should return to owner after it have collected daily coins.
This would make sure to get coins even if all players in area choose to be same team.
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I am noticing the same, not to that amounts but I fought for weeks/months to get to 8 stable gyms and now everything is gone, somedays I can't even get my 50 coins, no dust, a lot of potions and revives wasted to see my mon last very few minutes or days...
I am seeing a lot of low level players taking control of a ton of gyms, groups of level 20 kids that no one had seen before because there is no effort to get into gyms now, you don't have to prestige so they just make groups of 6-7 and run the hole area without effort.
I don't like the sytem were casuals or people that don't play almost get more than dedicated players, it is not fair, level 37 here, tons of maxed out mons both on offense and defense, and for what? They seem useless now, they have managed to destroy all my efforts from the last 10 months in a matter of an update.
My only hope is that a ton of dedicated players are not using real money and Niantic realize that this system without prestige and dust rewards is not an option, prestiging took away a lot of lazy players, now there seems to be a ton of them all over the place, if you take the gym all of them appear, if not gyms are stagnant for days...Very lame and they are rewarded for that.
I hear what you are saying, and I agree with most of it. But I do think it is good to have the new and casual players. They should be able to take part. That being said, at least reward me for taking down a gym or give some incentive to want to STAY in gyms. I want to use my good defender's. Make the gyms go back to 10 defender's. Stop the co decline. Do motivation separate from co. Just give me a reason...I'm already sick of raids...over 40 only 2 TMs
Thank you for completely writing out my thoughts here; this is my current experience as well. What's the payout now for trying to cultivate daily coins? 0.35 and no stardust? It was only barely worth my time before because I enjoyed actually having to strategize lineups and keep my team alive. Now even that's out the window and everything I've invested in is useless.
And before "that guy" chimes in, I've got one account and have never used any kind of cheat, even a map. This was all hard work and time. And that's precisely why it matters: because I earned it fair and square.
I guess it depends on your area. The local small town gym scene has never been so active.... my team (Mystic) used to dominate, and hold level 10's for days; if they were full, and you refused to shave/cheat, you were out of luck. Valor rarely bothered with them.
Now, the turnover has been daily! Valor/Mystic (few Instinct around). I don't mind seeing new casuals and noobs in gyms I took down, how else can a game survive? I guess something like prestiging may come back, but for now, let them get a taste of gyms.
Try to see the positive. Me and two Valor guys (one name I recognized, had suspected a spoofer) did a level 3 raid yesterday, it was fun!
Niantic is undoubtedly paying attention, I know they've been getting a lot less gold from me, and will make changes.
The worst for me is that there is little reason to work towards high level...at least for now...There is even less skill needed in a casual skill-less game to begin with.
It used to be nice leveling up faster and getting higher CP mons to finally get in some gyms and have them stay...All that is gone now.
I never had that many gyms (free2play) and had 10 "defenders" with high enough CP/IVs and started to get stagnant gyms. At least I was able to "enjoy" it for a few months.
I also lament the death of far and out of the way gyms...I used to hike to a gym I call "The Trail" and it would stay up for a month normally...My favorite gym, now, I can see it probably gets taken and all the mons in there have 0 motivation being so far away from home...and no one bothering to go there to attack it.
The best gyms now in this meta are gyms that people can drive to and not get out of their car...All my old favorites are not being attacked, for obvious reasons...(not that I've even gone back there).
Without a need to prestige and getting revives from raids, I am actually now reviving and healing all my guys (and have tossed hundreds of revives probably).
