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Cloyster question

Hi guys,

I have 2 cloysters, both with ice shard/blizzard, one with atk 15 def 13 sta 14 (93%) and the other one with atk 14 def 15 sta 14 (95%).

I want to power up one of them, which one to choose?!!!?? Should I choose attack over defense? Or viceversa? Would a point or two wont make a difference knowing cloyster has a high defense score?

Asked by Guardian8 years 5 months ago

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I'd go with the higher attack one because Cloyster is never going to be a good defender. I have a FB/B one thats awesome for trashing Dragonites (if you don't have a good Lapras), but I'd never waste my time putting it in a gym.

This. Plus I believe I've read somewhere that higher attack stat = higher CP gain compared to the other 2. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, you're right on that.

A 15/0/0 mon has the same CP as a 0/15/15 mon, despite only 1/2 the stats

Attack does have higher weight than the other 2 stats since def and stamina are square rooted, but 15 attack IV is not equal to 15 stamina and defence in terms of CP gain unless all stats are equal, since it's the relative increase of the IVs that affect the CP increase.

Pokemon with relatively lower defence + stamina to their attack gain more from 0/15/15 than 15/0/0 e.g. Mewtwo and Alakazam, while pokemon with relatively lower attack to their defence / stamina will gain more from 15/0/0 e.g. Chansey.

Chansey has 60 base attack so 15 attack increase is a 1.25x increase in attack (60+15/60), which results in a 1.25x increase in CP.

While it's defence is 176 and it's stamina is 500, so 15 defence and stamina only results in a (191/176)^0.5 x (515/500)^0.5 = 1.05725309x increase in CP.

Level 40 Chansey with 0/0/0 has 1111 CP. Give it 15/0/0 and it has 1389.
1389 / 1111 = = 1.25022502

Give it 0/15/15 and it has 1175 CP.
1175 / 1111 = 1.05760576

The numbers match up, proving my point.

Whoa. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Honestly, just go with the one that is higher level. With those differences you are never going to realize any differences in any kind of battle.

Yeah I was assuming both were hatched and lvl 20

It'll probably only make a difference in like 1 out of 100 battles but go for the one with slightly higher attack.

Cloyster has the highest base def in the game so defence has the lowest relative increase to its base stats. Even a Cloyster with 0 def IV would be fine if it had 15 atk and sta because those are the stats that it's weaker in, it would still be beast at reducing damage.

The way things are, it seems like the Attack Stat is heavily favoured in gym mechanics. Power the one with 15 ATK, if you want his CP to be higher and if you're planning on using him in gyms (and keeping him higher up on the gym tier). Power the one with the 15 DEF stat, if you want one that's better for prestiging. I personally use Cloysters for prestiging, so I'd power up the 95%.

Thanks for the answers.

Is ice shard/blizzard good enough or should I wait for a better moveset? Ive never used frost breath so i cant compare.

Ice Shard is fine. If you're using it against Dragonites, then the cooldown of the move fits nicely in between both of Dragonite's quick moves - 1 for Dragon Breath and 2 for Steel Wing, that you're not losing much DPS from downtime. It's not like those ~1 second cd moves that do good DPS on paper but not in practice for those that dodge, since they're unable to fit in a second attack in between dodges.

Yes Frost Breath will do more slightly damage and charge energy faster, but Ice Shard is close enough in effectiveness to still easily dumpster Dragonites.

Yeah, agree with this guy

Exactly what I thought

shard / blizzard is best defense. power up the highest level or CP cloyster you have so it can sit high in the gym. I honestly would rather spend stardust on something else.

if you're planning on using for offense. definitely do not waste your stardust.

Cloyster is useless on defence. Cloyster on attack has a niche use as a Dragonite counter for those that don't have Lapras or a level 40 Metapod.

While I'll admit he's not a tier 1 defender, he's certainly not useless on defense. The only thing holding him back is his relatively low CP - about 2500 max. His stats are perfect for a great defender, otherwise...and he has the best typing in the game which is very tough to exploit effectively - same as Lapras.

If his CP was higher, he'd be a monster. But there's a good chance he's the lowest defender and just making it difficult to prestige

I guess it depends on your local gyms - around here a 2200 will generally sit around the middle to top third. He's perfectly usable as defender locally.

Yeah, agree with this. Useless was a bit of an exaggeration. The problem is that lower CP Pokemon will get kicked out first/sooner, so even with their advantages e.g. moveset, typing, they only get to use it in one fight.