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Can I solo a weather-boosted Machamp with this team?

I have my doubts...
- LV30, 3317CP 78% Confusion/Focus Blast Mewtwo (ATK 10)
- LV30.5, 2459CP, 91% Confusion/FS Alakazam
- LV33.5, 2722CP, 100% Confusion/Psybeam Espeon
- LV33.5, 2722CP, 100% Confusion/Psychic Espeon
- LV30, 2449CP, 69%, ZH/Futuresight Espeon
- LV30, 3010CP, 84%, DT/Hurricane Dragonite

I have a few other miscellaneous level 30 espeon with varied movesets and IVs, but none with Confusion/Futuresight.

Asked by alevinemi7 years 7 months ago
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Surely you can, weather boosted does not affect much. My first and only Machamp Solo is in cloudy weather with suboptimal team layout, of course i just barely made it. I would recommend adding a Confusion Dazzling Gleam Gardevoir if you are that paranoid because it takes advantage of the weather.

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Thanks - my only Gardevoir has Shadow Ball, but I'll be TMing it eventually.

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Also like the guy below me said don't use this exact lineup. By the way it felt funny that this Dragonite you used is the same as the one i evolved today! (CP is 3010, Same moveset)

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I think survivability will be a problem with this lineup, unless you are doing a lot of dodging, which will hurt your DPS. Also, the Mewtwo is not optimal with focus blast; you'd be better off with a L30 Espeon with confusion/anything (*edit: this is wrong!). Or better yet, do you have another Dragonite with either DT/O or DT/H, which will help survivability?

A confusion/anything Espeon is probably slightly better than the ZH/FS one for DPS.

I'm going to say no with this exact lineup, but I think you are close. It might be good enough if the Machamp has close combat.

edit: Although you can re-enter the battle if your first six faint, the reason survivability is important is because of the glitch/penalty that gives a significant chunk of HP back to the boss when you re-enter.

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Yes, I have a very good DT/O Dragonite - better than the Hurricane one... LV32,96%...

As for MewTwo - I figured the Confusion would chop up a Machamp pretty well, although admittedly, Focus Blast is only neutral damage, but I would get the same weather boost Machamp has!

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C/FB on Mewtwo is perfectly acceptable in neutral weather and in Cloudy gets better time to win than C/FS Espeon. Nothing wrong with it.

The Hurricane Dragonite is a lot better against Machamp, but if you need additional survivability boost, you can swap your worst Espeon (C/PB or ZH/FS) for the DT/O.

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I stand corrected regarding the Mewtwo. You are right on both counts. I have a L30 PC/FB Mewtwo, and it is much worse against Machamp than my L30 Espeons in pokebattler simulations, but I just checked to see what would happen if I changed the quick move to confusion, and it fares much better. And with weather boost, it outperforms even my L30 C/FS Espeon. So, leave the Mewtwo in there. I still think you could use a survivability cushion, so maybe put the DT/O Dragonite in place of the ZH Espeon, and I think you can get it done. Good luck!

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As I said in another comment, in Cloudy weather C/FB Mewtwo has more DPS than C/FS Espeon of the same level.

I would really never worry about dodging against Machamp negatively impacting DPS if you're attacking with FS Alakazams/Espeons, the TTW is so good you can afford a LOT of dodging.

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Yes, you are right about the C/FB Mewtwo. I was judging based on my own PC/FB Mewtwo, but with C/FB, it is a lot better against Machamp. Funny, because I am the one who is always making the case that confusion is much better than PC for raid attackers. Indeed, it is.

As for dodging, a lot more raids are lost because of too much dodging than because of not enough dodging.

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You can't generalize like that. Losing Machamp or Gengar raids because of dodging too much is extremely unlikely because most players will use glass cannons with amazingly good TTW against them but struggle with survivability. I triple dodged each CC today and started dodging fast moves at least three times expecting a CC and still finished the Machamp with 45 seconds left. I could've been spamming dodge 10 times every time a charge move came out and still finished with time left.

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Agreeing on most of what you say but not the surviving Beeing an issue. my machamp team is extremely fragile, consisting of 3 Zams on 2500-2600, 1 SC/SB gengar on 2500 and 1 DT/H dragonite on 3300 CP and that with not-caring-much-dodging it always survives. I never use my 6th back up. One 3000+ dragonite anchors your team more than enough.

I once tried on purpose to kill my team, going for the no-doding strategy and I did kill my team but it was close.

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CC will be easy with your lineup. I just soloed a weather boosted CC Machamp today with a L40 Espeon, 3 L30 Espeons and a L35 Gardevoir with 45 seconds left on the clock.

You have the DPS but survivability is an issue. Against CC you probably only need to succeed in one or two dodges, against other movesets you need way more dodging. Good thing is there's plenty of time for it due to how much damage the psychic mons deal to Machamp. If you do dodge successfully, your team can do all movesets.

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by hkn 7 years 7 months ago

Depends on what moveset the Machamp has.

I managed to solo a weather-boosted BP/CC Machamp with 20s left using this team:

L30 Alakazam 15/15/14 Conf/FS
L30 Alakazam 13/15/15 PC/FS
L30 Espeon 12/15/14 Conf/FS
L30 Exeggutor 15/13/15 with Conf/Solar
L30 Exeggutor 13/14/13 with Conf/Psyc
L30 Dragonite 14/14/11 DT/Hur

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Understood about the durability issue.

I replaced the L30 69% ZH/F Espeon with a 91% L29 ES/BB Ho-Oh. That should take care of the durability issues - that would me my most durable mon against Machamp (except for possibly my Blissey, which would be just a bad idea...)

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