Blissey: Power up or Evolve
I've got a Lv20 91IV Pound/Psychic Blissey and a Lv20 93IV Chansey. Considering I'm Lv32, have 67 Chansey Candy, and will only be using Blissey as a Defender (don't have time to use her as an attacker) should I power up or evolve a new and hope for better moves?
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The IV distribution is more important than % - but the higher CP one will be the one you want to evolve.
I don't understand the line..."I don't have time to use her as an attacker".
She takes out most defenders faster than most attackers take her out - and the fight still has the same time limit no matter who you attack with.
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/cpcalc#/
Using the CP calculator tells me that...
14/12/15 gives 2699 @ lvl30
14/14/14 gives 2731 @ lvl30
In this case it is 32CP difference at level30...only you can decide how much candy that is worth to you.
The deciding factor for me would be the moveset on the current Blissey, and if I find P/P to be acceptable.
As candy are hard to come by for you...your current Blissey might be the best choice.
I don't understand the line..."I don't have time to use her as an attacker".
What's not to get? If it takes, say, 10 minutes extra to take down a level 10 gym using Blissey, and you battle multiple gyms a day, that time adds up.
She takes out most defenders faster than most attackers take her out
It's not about comparing how fast Blissey takes out something to how fast that Pokemon takes down Blissey, it's about fast Blissey takes down a Pokemon compared to your other options.
For example it could take 400 seconds to go through 4 Pokemon as Blissey but only use up 1 max potion or you could go through those same 4 Pokemon in half the time using 4 specialists but cost you 4 hypers. Someone who values time would gladly pay extra 3 hypers to save 200 seconds of their time.
the fight still has the same time limit no matter who you attack with.
Not every gym battle go to the full 100 seconds.
If you allow for the fact that you don't need to switch and she will take out 3 defenders in a row, without wasting time dodging - she will also improve your chance to get a clean sweep gaining more xp per run through of the gym - then you can see you calculations are just something you made up to prove your point.
Also, if you take your defenders over lvl30, but your attacking team does not get lvl'd over 30, then this will make a difference too - depending on what lvl your Blissey is.
Unless you are the type of person to refuse to attack a gym because it has a Blissey in it, then you are contradicting yourself.
Did you know 87% of statistics are made up on the spot?
I am not advocating using a Blissey in every line for every attack on every gym, because that is not sensible...but refusing to use a Blissey ever is not sensible either.
Using a Blissey in your line up does not add 10 minutes to taking down a gym.
Clearly, you have never attacked with a Blissey.
How are my choice of arbritrary numbers relevant? You didn't understand the point, so I put it in a way that you could. I did not calculate anything.
You could replace those numbers with any value that you wanted and the point remains the same. Blissey takes down gyms slower than Pokemon that specifically counter each defender.
OP wants to spend less time battling, Blissey doesn't do that. That's a fact.
Switching takes like 2 seconds, and other Pokemon still take out the Pokemon that they counter faster than Blissey even if they use up time dodging.
Unless you are the type of person to refuse to attack a gym because it has a Blissey in it, then you are contradicting yourself.
What are you trying to refute with this statement.
Also explain why the time limit being the same is relevant when the goal is to take down a defender as fast as possible, not just avoid timing out.
If having a Blissey in your line up enables you to go top to bottom in a gym that you would not otherwise get through, then that is at least 2k more ripped of the gym in a single pass - that is more than enough to make up some of the time for a few seconds in a single fight.
This can have a flow on effect of having less defenders to take on for your next pass, making the bonus 1k for a full pass through all defenders even more likely on your next pass...and gaining the bonus 1K even faster than you would get it otherwise. This can reduce the number of fights you need to perform for a bonus 1K.
This is also time that you are not spending healing up and reselecting your line, which is a waste of time.
A missed charge move dodge with a 'faster' mon can be costly, and no one can claim they do perfect dodging every single time - if you do then you are kidding yourself.
A Blissey is a LOT more forgiving in these circumstances.
To claim that every single gym is slower simply by having a Blissey in a line up is flawed.
If you refuse to see that then there is no point explaining it to you any further.
...but it is still clear you are talking from made up numbers and not experience.
Making up some arbitrary numbers like '10 minutes' for using a Blissey does not prove anything.
I have Pound/Psychic Blissey I was able to get to level 30 and while she's been collecting coins, I have been walking candies (need 55 more to get her to 35.5 and around 3K) - I passed on the opportunity to evolve another Chancey to go for a more optimum MS because I decided I wanted a Blissey beast. Your decision is more difficult because your Chancey will be better if CP is tight in your local gym scene... but who knows how the "upcoming" gym re-work will be. What will their respective CP be at Level 30?
If you need a strong defender now, I'd power up to level 30 with 66 of your candies, and be prepared to walk for 50+66 more, a lot of KM but maybe you'll hatch or hit a double-candy event to lower that number.
TL;DR - 2 points:
1) you won't be unhappy with a LVL30 strong IV Bliss
2) MS don't matter as much as her "scare value" in preventing attack in the 1st place, especially if you can get her into a multiple-Blissey gym
If you need a strong defender now, you
If you're only using her as a defender, then don't worry about the moves and just power up the Blissey you have already.
12 attack IV is fine, and with 66 candies you could take it up to level 30 where it'd have about 2700 CP and actually be useful, giving you extra coins and stardust that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
If you evolve the Chansey, sure, it has slightly higher max potential, but you don't have the candies to reach that slightly higher max CP.
66 candies will evolve a Chansey and take it from level 20 to 23, where it'll only have 2100 CP. Sure it has higher max CP than your current Blissey but current CP is what keeps you in gyms, not max CP.
Even if you want a Blissey to reach a specific CP, it's still costs less candies (therefore less walking and time) to power up the lower IV Blissey than it would to evolve and power up the Chansey to the same CP.
e.g. Let's say you want a Blissey that's just above 3000 CP for the sake of it. Your current Blissey needs 170 candies in power ups to go from 20 to 38 while the Chansey needs 50 to evolve and 150 in power ups to reach 37, so it still takes you longer even though the one with lower max CP requires some extra power ups.
Start earning coins now, plus pay off the stardust cost from powering up this Blissey, and if there ever comes a time where it sits in the bottom of a gym by then you'll probably have walked enough to max 2 other Blisseys anyway. Don't worry about a max CP that you might not even reach.
Thanks team. Think I'm going to go with powering up the current Blissey for starters and then evolve a new one at a later date (if I ever get enough candy!) Apologies for the argument caused with the lack of time statement. To put it to bed for particular situation I'll elaborate: I have very little time for gym play, (full-time job + full-time girlfriend consume most my time) maybe 20-30 mins a day of I'm lucky and I'm more likely to prestige an established gym than take down a rival one, especially if it's high level. However I'm sure if i were to ever try my hand at taking down a Lv10 gym Blissey would be a helpful ally so all useful information! Thanks
