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blissey pound vs ZH

Not sure why ZH "slightly outperforms" pound in defensive tier list.
Pound has more dps, more eps and it is harder do dodge as it hits quicker...

Any ideas? =]

Asked by Ryba8 years 2 months ago

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For defenders you need to take into account the 1.5-2.5 second delay between attacks.
For the sake of calculations, this delay is usually averaged out to 2 seconds.

https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/gym-combat-mechanics

See under the heading "Attacker and Defender Battle Mechanics"

Yep. 2 seconds delay:

Pound = 8,75 damage every 2 seconds and not SE against any type (7 damage every 2 seconds against Rock/Steel/Ghost);
ZH = 12 damage every 2 seconds and SE against Fight and Poison types (15 damage every 2 seconds against Fight/Poison).

Pound does get STAB though, and ZH doesn't. Which would be why the difference is only slight.

7*1,25 = 8,75 (Damage with STAB).

Ahh I getcha, sorry.

FWIW, I think the 1.5-2.5 seconds is in addition to the move's cool down, so the math works out a bit differently--but your point is still valid. :)

Pound
Power = 7, CD = 0.6 (+2 sec on avg) =
(FLOOR(0.5 *7 *1.25 *1) +1) / 2.6 = 1.92 DPS on defense
Energy Gained = 6, CD = 0.6 (+2 sec on avg) =
6 /2.6 = 2.31 EPS

Zen Headbutt
Power = 12, CD = 1.1 (+2 sec on avg) =
(FLOOR(0.5 *12 * 1 * 1) +1) / 3.1 = 2.26 DPS on defense
Energy Gained = 10, CD = 1.1 (+2 sec on avg) =
10 /3.1 = 3.23 EPS

So as you said, ZH is slightly better, even accounting for STAB (and ignoring effectiveness).

Understood. THX

You must go deep down inside each move, then you will find the difference :D. It lies in "defensive damage per second".
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon-move/zen-headbutt
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon-move/pound