I'm in need of some advice on what I should do with my Blissey situation.
I currently have 1 Blissey: 1809 CP, 86.7% IVs, with Zen Headbutt and Hyper Beam and 57 candies. I see that this moveset is rated a B here.
I also have 3 more Chansey with 84.4%, 80%, and 75.6% IVs.
I know that if I evolve another Chansey that I would basically be out of candy and couldn't power it up. I am wanting one for gym defense and I know that pretty much any Blissey is better than the majority of the other options.
I would like some opinions on these moves. I'm sort of a perfectionist and want the best move set possible, but I just don't know if it is worth going for considering how long it would take to power up. I am currently walking with her and will be for the foreseeable future.
Just looking for opinions and what y'all would do in this situation. Thanks for any help.
Quoted from GP...
For people with enough candy to power up a Blissey with a suboptimal moveset, just power her up and stop being such a perfectionist. Blissey with any moveset is much better than the best Snorlax.
I have a Blissey of the same moveset but poorer IV=71%. I maxed her out and enjoy throwing her into the gym. None knows when Blissey will be nerfed.
Live for now.
That's not so bad. I would power it up.
My first 2 blisseys got pound/psychic (the worst defensive move) and I was left with 50 candy left. So I had room for 1 last evolve and no more candy to power up subsequently, so it had to be a high CP chansey as well.
Just tonight, I caught a 93% level 28 chansey and was prepared to accept anything but pound psychic!
If I had gotten ZH/HB I would have been very happy w it
I currently have 1 Blissey: 1809 CP, 86.7% IVs, with Zen Headbutt and Hyper Beam and 57 candies. I see that this moveset is rated a B here.
I also have 3 more Chansey with 84.4%, 80%, and 75.6% IVs.
IV-Percentage is not a good metrics for blissey or chansey. IMO, it is more convenient just to look on ATT-Stat, if equal take DEF-Stat as tie-braker. STA is almost complete irrelevant.
I have got a 40%-IV-Chansey with 15ATT. She will me my next Blissey, when i have sufficient candy.
I'm going to go against the grain here, and say save those rare candies for a proper Blissey.
I keep reading the opinion, from both Gamepress and commenters, that Blissey with any move set is a much better defender than any other pokemon. I don't agree. A Blissey with hyper beam might as well not have a charge move at all, because it is so easy to dodge (and I am not a master dodger by any means). So, defeating a HB Blissey is simply a matter of picking an attacking mon with a high enough attack stat that it won't time out before winning. Yes, it will take longer than beating any other defender, but eventually, the Blissey will always lose.
To me, a defender is only great if it actually poses the threat of defeating the mon selected for the matchup. A ZH/BS Snorlax might actually beat a mon selected specifically to battle it. Lapras, and to a lesser extent, Slowbro and Poliwrath, can also be very difficult to counter, and sometimes dish out nasty surprises with certain movesets. Winning against a HB Blissey is slow, but near-guaranteed.
A Blissey with hyper beam might as well not have a charge move at all, because it is so easy to dodge (and I am not a master dodger by any means). So, defeating a HB Blissey is simply a matter of picking an attacking mon with a high enough attack stat that it won't time out before winning.
There is a deterrent component. You know the charged move 15 sec after the battle started. Many players arrange their gym tactics in a way, that they only beat each blissey once.
So in many cases, there is no chance to know the moveset in advance, thus, no chance to react to the moveset.
Because of attackers blissey-avoidance-tactics the rule: "CP is all, moveset is nothing" for defenders is even more true for blissey.
Another aspect: If i had a Po/HB-Blissey, i would try it as a universal attacker (or, if small, -prestiger). Not fast, but it will take down more than one defender and use exactly one max-potion afterwards. This is my understanding of "potion efficiency"
I totally agree about using a P/HB Blissey as an attacker. I would do the same thing if I had one.
As for the deterrent component, that is just as true for a Blissey with a good defensive moveset as it is for one with inferior moves. So, I'd prefer to wait a little longer for a better moveset. Also, in situations where the Blissey is to be battled more than once, the deterrent effect is much greater the second time with a good defensive moveset, and it goes away with a poor defensive moveset.
One more point, to your "CP is all" argument: all else being equal, the higher a Blissey sits in a gym, the more weaker defenders an attacker can defeat before having to battle or avoid the Blissey. Obviously, a high CP Blissey is better than a low CP Blissey, but I'm saying that it makes more of a difference for weaker mons to have a high CP -- thus being able to sit above the Blissey(s) -- than for the Blissey to have a high CP.
How long can you wait and do you have any other gym defenders? I think the comments of waiting are great if you are high level and can wait a long long time and still have gym defenders doing work for you, but ultimately, you could be waiting a VERY VERY long time to get a better one (higher IV) or get lucky with moves...
My 1st powerup (outside of Lapras) is now my weakest IV Rhydon...Happily, it's been sitting in a gym for 2+ months now in a non-easy to access gym.
If you can wait, sure wait, but ultimately, seeing a Blissey is the deterrent and a gym taker is not going to care really, especially not mid high level folks (30+ people). I battles Blisseys daily so it doesn't stop most folks I think.
I had over 500 candies after the V-day event and only maxed 2 Blisseys due to high cost of powering them up. I still have 90%+ ones, but rather push my existing ones CP higher rather than getting more since Blissey is still 6th on the CP rankings. She needs all the CP she can get and a low CP Blissey just messes up your teammates to want prestige your gym.
That said, go big and go few (1 maxed Blissey is better than 2 mid/weak CP ones) I think. I'd power up what you have or walk first, then power up to at least 30 or your max level.
Mine are over 2900 and have been in a gym since gen 2 launched near the top originally, but has been pushed by common Garys and Dnites/Rhydons.
My only other good defender is a 2698 ZH/BS Snorlax. I was using a 97.8% 2766 WP Vaporeon before it got nerfed. Now I don't power it up any more.
I live in a pretty small town and most defenders average around 2500 CP, some being much lower. I was just wanting the Blissey to sit near the top and have the possibility of timing attackers out. I think this could be attainable in my area since there aren't a lot of very high level players coupled with having to make sure to dodge Hyper Beams.
I think I'm probably going to go ahead and power up the one that I have and keep walking it.
