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best attackers lists - why so different?

I'm looking at the lists on these 3 sites:

https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/gym-attackers-tier-list
https://pokeassistant.com/attackers
https://thesilphroad.com/species-stats

and I'm a bit confused. I realize that there are different methodologies used, but the list on pokeassistant is way different from what is presented on this website. Why such differences?

The other day I was reading here that Alakazam and Gengar are "useless" whereas pokeassistant lists them among the top attackers. Go figure... I don't have an Alakazam with Psycho Cut so cannot really test this. Thanks for any feedback!

Asked by localizer8 years 3 months ago
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Everyone has opinions, some just use damage spreadsheets, some incorporate dodging, some add meta game matchups.

They should be used as references and you should form your own opinion. I personally don't care for the damage based lists that ignore types. Gamepress puts the most thought into their list. Even if players like to disagree with the tiers on the q&a.

As for the comment on alakazam and gengar, I believe that comment has many downvotes. Including mine.

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by 2acres 8 years 3 months ago

My top attack tier is Dragonite, Rhydon, Exxegutor, Gyarados.

Defense: Snorlax, Snorlax, Snorlax

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Poke Assistant seems to be putting a very large emphasis on potion efficiency. That's why they haven't got Lapras, Vaporeon, and Snorlax on the tier list. I can't say they are exactly wrong... those 3 are more useful when you need your mons to take out multiple opponents. That's fairly rare in the current meta.

I don't think I've seen anyone on here say that Alakazam and Gengar are useless. They both have high DPS that goes largely unresisted, but they are both super squishy.

I also don't know why they haven't got a single water Pokemon on their tier list... enough people plop Rhydon in a gym because of his high CP that having a good water attacker is important.

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I don't get the potion problem. Hyper, max and max revive are to use exactlly for high hp mons.
P.s. Muhamad Ali was the best figher due to his resistence not due to his huge power :). Similar today with Maywether

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There is a difference in what you want to measure.

The pokeassistant list leans more towards "how fast can I kill a certain mon" while the list on this page is more like "how many mons can I kill before I faint"

Thus, gamepress takes effective health into account much more. E.g. Snorlax does not hit that hard compared to other mons, but if you face a gym with 10 defenders he will be able to kill more defenders, even though it takes more time.

Consider a gym full of Dagonites. If there is 1 (maybe 2) Dagonites defending, Cloyster will be bettern than Lapras, because it hits as hard and requires less potions to fully heal afterwards.
However, if the gym is full, Lapras is better because it has more effective health.

As such, pokeassistant suggests Cloyster whereas gamepress suggests Lapras.

and the silphroad list is just a CP-list which does not consider Pokemon availability / metagame

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Cheers, guys for your input! Indeed I guess we all need to take these lists with a grain of salt, as a basic recommendation, and make decisions based on our own experience.
I was just rather confused to read this about Vaporeon on pokeassistant saying that it's: "not a great attacker. If you want a solid water attacker, both Starmie and Omastar are better attackers that will hit harder and take less damage".

Personally I like Vaporeon as an attacker and consider it to be one of the best generalist attackers, haven't used Starmie much though as I have not invested any dust in it.

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