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Another Exeggutor question...

Sorry guys, but Exeggutor seems to confuse a lot of people around here with the complete change of his quick moves.

I have two Exeggutors at lvl 31,5 just under 2500 CP with C/SoB. Then I have three other ones hatched at lvl 20:

C/P 80%, Z/SoB 87%, E/SB 80%

For my understanding you really want Confusion on a defensive Exeggutor because it´s the slowest move with the biggest damage output. For the Charge move it´s probably debatable if you prefer SB as a two-bar move or go with SoB or P who still make a lot of damage even if you dodge. Common sense semms to be that SoB is best for defense at the moment since Psychic got a one-bar move also.

Regarding offense I think it´s a little more complicated...I´m assuming most of us see th value of Exeggutor in the matchup vs. Vaporeon and to a lesser extent vs. Snorlax and DB Gyarados. Confusion puts out the most damage, but is slow (1,6 vs 1,1 for all other moves), so you risk to miss a dodge. Bullet Seed even with STAB and 1,25x dmg vs. Vaporeon puts out less dmg than the psychic quick moves but builds up enery faster. ZB puts out equal dmg as Extrasensory, but builds energy slower so Extrasensory is superior in every aspekt. That cancels out ZB. Regarding the Charge Move SoB is the clear favorite with effective dmg boost.
In the end the quick moves C/E/BS are a tradeoff between energy build up and dmg output/speed which is personel preferencein my opinion.

Do you agree with this analysis or did I miss something? Would you additionally power up one of my three hatched Exeggutors? Thanks in advance!

Asked by Gregoire8 years 9 months ago

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Good analysis. I'm ignorant about strength of movesets and rely on GP grading but sounds like you did your homework.

I have every Egg possible...except the one I want for attack.
E/SoB.

You are right. The quick moves are a trade off between stand and deliver with raw power, and faster, high energy low hitting moves - and pick which you like.
I want the energy fast...for attack I think it is a no brainer - Extrasensory - it gets SoB off sooner so you can get back to building energy fast and dodging again.

The same can be said for SeedBomb vs SoB...but for me the superior power of SoB is what I want, and I am willing to risk a hit for the damage it inflicts.

For defense, C/SoB or C/SeedB...but in my area an egg won't last long in defence of a gym.

Bullet Seed builds enery even faster than Extrasensory...why do you want Extrasensory then if thats the main point?

The faster eps of Bullet Seed isn't enough to offset the greater dps of ES over a full cycle.

ES does 96 damage in 8.8 seconds filling a charge bar
Bullet Seed does 56 damage in 7.7 seconds to fill the charge bar

This means you will get in 1 extra Bullet Seed per ES rotation using the same charge move...this is an additional 8 for the extra 1.1 seconds.

Extrasensory > Confusion for eps
Extrasensory > Bullet Speed for dps

While it doesn't really change your analysis, you should probably factor in Super Effective on Bullet Seed as a separate line. Because Vaperon will be such a big target.

True that...against water the difference becomes negligible, and then pure eps might tip someones preference.

but I use them against Rhydons too if the gym requires it

Shouldn't be different in Rhydon's case, should it? Rhydon has double weakness to grass

Yeah...I get it...but you didn´t factor in that you use Exeggutor mainly against Vaporeon and therefore BS gets an additional 25% dmg.

If you look at it the other way round you could also argue that:

Extrasensory < Confusion for dps
Extrasensory < Bullet Seed for eps

So you choose the middle of the pack, which is perfectely fine! I was just wondering if there is an exact way to calculate how much eps gains in contrast to the dps loss. You seem to know it.

EPS for BS/ES/C is: 12,73/10,91/9,38 while DPS factoring in the effective dmg for BS is 11,36/13,64/15,63...so the tradeoff is round about 2 dps for 1,5 eps. I think you have other numbers in your calculation?