My 2.5k C/CC Machamp vs a 3k ZH/DG Blissey
I've posted this in reply to a couple people asking how to kill blisseys, but I figured it was helpful enough to get its own title:
I was lucky enough to evolve a perfect-IV Machamp with C/CC. Powered it up to ~2550, attacked a 2900 Blissey, didn't dodge ZH's and missed 2 dodges on DG's (which are spammed really quickly when Blissey is taking a lot of DPS), and died horribly. Next try I was careful, dodged everything, and killed it with about 40 seconds left, and maybe 20% of my health left. Hope this gives you an idea of the best-case scenario against the pink menace!
For the record, while C/DP Machamp may be theoretically higher DPS, I was afraid to even use CC on cooldown due to incoming DG's, so I wouldn't want to spend any more time locked in animations. If you have to DP every few seconds, you're probably going to die before you can kill the Blissey, because it WILL be hitting you with several DG's. (each undodged DG did ~1/4 of my HP)
Anyone else have similar experiences? I'm still super happy with my Machamp, this seems to be much better than other options. I'll continue to gather these sorts of anecdotes, and if I was just lucky/unlucky above I'll repost with more representative numbers.
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Thanks, and good luck. I've had no luck with Machamp movesets in the past (3 KC/SE, 1 BP/something, and 1 C/HS), so maybe I cashed in some RNG karma with this one.
I think it's sad that the counter to Blissey is so hard to get, and that only high-level players really have any chance of killing Blissey any other way.
Are all the old Fighting types effectively useless? Prob the biggest issue with Niantic you can't reroll moves wasting a ton of time and effort. I'm pretty sure a High CP RS Rhydon can take down a Blissey with a tiny bit of help or a mid tier Blissey. It's too slow to take out Chansey right now. Ursaring w/ the same moveset seems to be the quickest way obtain that moveset. Lol oh well by the time we all get enough Machamp candy and that moveset Blissey is nerfed like Lapras. I'll just wait it out or mow down Blissey with some friends to save time. You should of seen 2 DB Nites at the same time mow down that pink devil. lol
I tried out my KC/CC Machamp and my Poliwrath with the newly buffed submission. Karate chop did alright, but he can't absorb that damage. The way it sounds is that counter is so much better than KC, that is what makes the real difference.
I think something like Gyarados is a better option, and Ursaring with fighting moves looks like a solid choice also, just because they can take a little more of the abuse.
I evolved 6 90-100iv machamp using the candy got from the machop nest got 5 bullet punch (2HS 2DP 1CC) and finally the last one got Counter and but the charge move is HS ._. Not really sure why niantic give him fucking steel moves which I always get :( Running out of machop candy and sticking w/ Dnite DB DC for now seems doing fine.
I use dragonite(3070) with dragon claw against Blissy(2759) with zen/psychic. I beat Blissy with 10 seconds ramaining and I still have 25% health I got hit by zen headbutt a few times and I got hit 1 time by psychic.
Your health is a little low for not getting hit but you did beat Blissey faster. maybe dragonite is still better due higher stamina.
I think the difference is your Blissey's charge move. Psychic is much worse as a defensive move than DG, and ZH and DG are SE against Machamp. Try your Dragonite against a DG Blissey, it won't be fun.
It's Blissey's considerable offense that boosts her defense: attackers can't afford to soak her SE charge moves or even quick moves, which lowers their DPS.
I think with strong Machamps, you can try to dodge all moves and still be ok on time...you actually don't want to faint since Machamp will do the most damage to her in the shortest amount of time so dodge away and like your example showed, time usually isn't an issue with the right moves...That said, if you miss a dodge, just get the next guy to clean up Blissey and you should win with ease...
