It seems like the whole game will revolve around it. Even if you can take the metagross out with a fire type, if you don’t have one of your own to use, is there any chance of winning against someone who knows what they are doing
Actually I don't think MM Metagross is going to be anywhere near to the meta of the 1500 CP league...
It probably will revolve around these pokemons (Or at least it's what I have understand from the way it will work, altough there's a lot to be seen)
I do see Metagross has another big disavantage and is the lack of a second good charge move
To me, Metagross looks very strong, with a great move, and really good resistances. Weaknesses to Fire, Ground, Dark, and Ghost aren't the biggest problems it will have, and a secondary attack of Earthquake or Psychic will help when the foe resists steel.
But many other pokemon will also be very strong. Good quick moves and good charged moves will make a pokemon strong in the CP capped leagues, IVs won't matter hardly at all (just a way to manipulate the shape of the stats, and resistances will be important, as well as a lack of double weaknesses. Expecting Ttar, bring something with a fighting attack, even if secondary, and Ttar will go down like wheat before a threshing machine. Aggron had potential, but a pair of double weaknesses doom it to secondary status (or you can gamble that your opponent won't bring either fighting or ground to the table - ground isn't a terrible bet, but fighting should be on most repertories, if for no other reason than to counter Normals and Ttar.)
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out, with millions of players fighting hundreds of battles as we collectively figure out which pokemon work best in PvP.
I attacked gyms more often then built gyms but I did prestige a good bit. U guys mayb didnt train much before but...
Parasect/ivysaur/tangela> venusaur/eggs
Warturtle/golduck/starmie>vape/Gary
Charmeleon>charizard/arcanine
Hypno>eggs/alkazam
Low level Dragonite, eggs, Gary, vape, golem and any of the high max CP stuff was horrible to prestige with against mons 2x their CP. Meanwhile pideots, raticate and jigglypuffs with low atk and high stamina IVs(ie high level) were gold. Mayb the GL will also be the same, I think Metagross cld b similarly weak in the under 1500 league. Metagross might work best at level 40 and might not even be that good in the ultra league. I think the same 10-20 pokemon in all leagues just isn't gonna happen.
As it seems, since it's not beating the clock anymore, PvP will be all about TDO. Which means that the CP cap formula punishes high-ATK 'mons badly - the lower the ATK of a 1500 CP 'mon, the better it will be. An ideal stat distribution? ATK 1, sky high DEF, STA 1 (works best because of the minimum HP mod of late).
Also, IVs matter, but in a completely new fashion - ideal ATK is 0, ideal DEF/STA is 15, decreasing the ATK to STA*DEF ratio even more.
I therefore don't think Metagross will make any dent in the capped CP leagues.
Of course!
First of all, IV doesn't matter. We're talking about a CP cap, so IVs are irrelevant.
Metagross has 3 big advantages: Good defensive typing, high base game stats=high CP, very good moveset with meteor mash. The only guaranteed advantage in PvP is its typing.
If moves work in a completely different way than the one we are used to, then Metagross is just another Pokemon with good defensive typing. Could be stronger (or weaker) than Scizor, Steelix, Aggron, Empoleon, Mawile, Magneton; all of these could be equally strong.
If moves work in a similar way as the one we are used to, Metagross is gonna be very strong (because MM is very good) but nowhere near "all the game revolving around it". Steel is an ok attacking type, but all of its other moves suck (it will have 0 versatility) and while your first meteor mash got blocked with the new mechanic and you are charging your second one, Scizor or Parasect will be hitting you with their 5th X-scissor.
TL;DR: Metagross can be anywhere from Tier B to Tier S PvP Pokemon, alongside many others
That's simply not true.
You're forgetting that for the TDO calculation, high ATK low DEF is the same as low ATK and high DEF. DPS suffers, but we don't care in PvP, presumably.
And the CP formula double-accounts for ATK, which means that high ATK 'mons will have much lower overall stats (and thus, TDO) at the same CP cap.
And for that fact, IVs do matter - but now you want ATK 0 and DEF and STA 15 to decrease the ATK-to-DEF*STA ratio even more.
As far as Steel attacking goes, Registeel and Steelix will very likely overpower any Metagross, even if Meteor Mash will be as powerful as it is now.
