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Best Fast and Charge moves by type

Unless I missed it, I didn't see any guides on the best Fast and Charge moves by type. If possible, I would like to request a guide. I know some pokemon only have maybe 1 or 2 stab moves, but in general, id like to know how they all rank up. We all know Frenzy Plant is the best grass, but what about all the other types?

Asked by DeadZeddicious6 years 7 months ago
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In no particular order:

Confusion. Smack Down. Sky Attack. Blast Burn. Wild Charge. Dragon Tail. Waterfall. Avalanche.

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Dynamic Punch. Shadow Ball. Play Rough or Dazzling Gleam I'm not sure.

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Shadow Claw.

A lot of the others aren't as directly comparable, as stronger mon might get a weaker set (Ttar only getting Bite/Crunch for example).

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We can take it as a hypothetical comparison, like Ttar with Foul Play will be better than with Crunch.

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Calcy gives me relative power of STAB RT as 14.4 (DPS*time) and STAB SD as 19.2. That's substantially more effective, up to 133%.

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Not a guide, but has a list of all the charge moves with their stats. You can restrict it to specific types for type-alike comparison. Generally speaking the best charge moves have the highest dps*dpe, though multi-bar moves might be preferable even with lower dps*dpe for frailer species who have a hard time getting 1 or 2 single bar moves off.

Fast moves might depend on charge moves - if you have a killer charge move (like frenzy plant) then you want a fast move that generates energy faster to use it (eps). Otherwise look at the dps for fast moves. If you like to dodge, you might prefer a fast move that has less time (like psycho cut).

https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/charge-moves

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Example of what I mean by fast moves depending on charge moves. Top is swampert with bubble (a higher eps move) and hydro cannon (best overall move in the game by dps*dpe), second is swampert with waterfall (higher dps, lower eps) and hydro cannon. Pretty significant drop-off. Next two are kyogre with waterfall or bubble and hydro pump - no noticeable difference between the two due to hydro pump not being as good a charge move. (vs. Rhydon with random moveset)

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A guide of moves by type wouldn't be of much use because you need to know which mons are usin' em. You can find that out in the numerous other guides.

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Off the top of my head..

Dragon tail outrage
Confusion future sight
Frost breath avalanche
Vine whip frenzy plant
Fire spin blast burn
Waterfall hydro cannon
Thunder shock Wild Charge
Poison jab sludge bomb
Rock throw rock slide
Snarl Foul Play
(X) Dazzling gleam
Air slash sky attack
Iron tail heavy slam
Mud slap drill run
Pound hyper beam
Shadow claw shadow ball
Bug bite x scissor
Counter dynamic punch

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There is a guide that lists all fast and charge moves. You can arrange by DPS, and EPS. And by type. For example Rock Slide is the best Rock charge move currently. However not a lot of Rock Pokemon know this move. Legacy Omastar is your best bet.

But arranging them by performance is what you can do. Origin Pulse and Precipice Blades are the best water and ground charge moves, however I think Future Sight and Psystrike are neck and neck, unless they change Psystrikes cool down.

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Future Sight is outright better than Psystrike with the current stats, says the DPS/TDO spreadsheet.

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You could create a guide of best moveset by type and the charge move by type, but best fast move isn't as simple because it sometimes depends on the charge move you're using.
For an easy example, ground has two fast moves, Mud Shot and Mud-slap. Mud Shot is better if your charge move is very good, while Mud-slap is better if the charge move is more mediocre or outright bad.

Lecafe listed the best movesets and his list seems to be mostly correct. Mistakes I can spot are at least WF/HC, which is actually worse than WG/HC, and x/DG, which is worse than x/PR.

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This is a list of moves ordered by DPS.

https://pokeassistant.com/main/movelist

The fast moves are at the top and the charge moves at the bottom. Use as you see fit.

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