How good will it be?
Seeing that moltres is getting skyattack, i'm wondering how good it will be. I dont know how good sky attack is (I have no flying types other than gyarados an articuno and dragonite powered up).
This is mostly a question of is sky attack good, and if so, how good on a pokemon with out a flying fast attack will it be? Any potential use against machamp raids/a gym sweeper sort of things
Edit: this trend of these raid days getting exclusive moves (I know articuno only got hurricane in I believe it was japan because weather forced a cancelation, I believe), do you think that will continue to the Ultra unlock, possibly psystrike mewtwo?
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tl;dr: Against fighting-types Moltres is neck and neck with Rayquaza despite lacking a flying type fast move. Against grass and bug types Ray gets completely blown out. Sky Attack is immensely powerful, the single best flying type charge move by a wide margin.
Never had a lugia, i'm just suprised they'd go to *this* much of an extreme. I do like how they gave it an exclusive move that is off type and has a different role than the rest of its moves (I said a while back I believed that zapdos would always be the most extreme case of an event locked move) so it wont *burn* people who powered up a double fireset moltres.
Until the buff, Sky Attack was a footnote. Flying types were (and arguably still kinda are) irrelevant and Lugia was the only meta-relevant recipient of the move. In the days of 70BP Future Sight was favored since it shared typing with Extrasensory. This is the first time a powerful (as in high attack) flying type has received a powerful flying type charge move.
As far as extreme cases go, we still need to see how Origin Pulse and Precipice Blades play out, in addition to the plethora of unreleased Pokemon that have signature moves though those are more hypothetical. I do agree that SA Moltres is less severe since it doesn't completely outclass dual fire counterparts.
i know, but that was somewhat of what i meant, this is the combination of very high attack and a very high powered move. Something that doesnt happen too often in GO without strings attatched (i dont mean the exclusiveness of the move, i mean bad type synergy, something like Rhydon not having a rock fast move but getting stone edge)
My thinking for blades and pulse being less extreme is this; the old kyogre and groudon RC/Dust were spent on can be TM'd to other sets (even now solar beam is a better moveset for it than earthquake), so it isnt like all of it went to waste, it can still be used elsewhere to good effect, but with something like zapdos it can only be an electric attacker so it doesnt have any ability to be salvaged. I know not everyone agrees with that, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. More or less its that even If a signature/exclusive move is added, if that pokemon has another moveset thats useful, it still has a purpose (though I still think they shouldn't make them exclusive forever, maybe make it standard after a while)
You can make that argument for Groudon but not Kyogre. Without ever getting access to Dragon Tail it will never be an effective ice-type attacker with Blizzard and Thunder is outright useless on it. It's arguably less painful since Hydro Pump isn't a bad move to begin with, but the principle of the matter is still there.
I would hope they'd come back *somehow*. Imagine this game still being alive 10 years later. You're a new player who missed Precipice Blades Groudon because it was only available as a 3-hour exclusive move several years ago. Not cool, even if something better came along by then.
https://pokemongolive.com/en/post/moltresday2018sep/
3k dust on raids sounds nice, and double time on star pieces will be helpful.
Moltres with Sky Attack, in a vacuum, sounds great, SA is a solid attack, and when they buffed it to make Lugia with its low attack more relevant, that was good. Giving it to Moltres, with around 100 more attack than Lugia, will make it really strong. The only thing keeping this from being meta disbalancing is that Moltres won't have a flying fast move.
I'm not thrilled about the bird that is the fundamental expression of fire getting a non-fire move.
And all of this is moot for me since I'm traveling next week, will be on a plane for the raid day, and won't be able to do much raiding while I travel. Oh well. I'll see if I can score one of the SA Moltres, and it would be nice to get more candy, but I'm skeptical that I'll be able to do much. C'est la vie.
