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Should I have succeeded? Machamp solo Attempt

CP 18,144 - Heavy Slam

I tried 4 times, using the following good counters (I have no supreme counters/legendaries): Espeon, Zam, DT/H Dragonite and Eggy. Problems were some game lag/errors and my older/slower phone (Galaxy S5). But I'm not trying to blame it on either, I know some players have succeeded with older phones.

When I used more Espeon and Zam, all my attackers fainted. So I tried more Eggy and D'nite, which helped, but not enough. The following team came closest (unfortunately, the lag was bad that time and I had only 170 seconds starting out).

Espeon - 36 - 2766 - C/FS
Eggy - 34.5 - 2618 - C/Sol Bm
D'nite - 33.5 - 3117 - DT/H
Eggy - 33 - 2563 - E/Sol B
D'nite - 33 - 3184 - DT/H
D'nite - 38.5 - 3397 - DT/H

My last D'nite and Machamp had just a tiny sliver of red left, but Machamp obviously prevailed. I tried some dodging, but it didn't work (not sure if I should in a solo attempt)? I haven't done that many, this was the first Machamp I've encountered since evolving two more Espeon and powering up Zam (he was not in this lineup because Espeon seemed to do better). But it was sooo close, and I have to try again!

Any suggestions/feedback/criticism? Be honest, am I wasting my time (and potions ;) and just not ready for the challenge? I'm beginning to wonder, since may trainers here have soloed at least one t3 boss. I don't now how much of a problem the lack of supreme counters is, but it seems to me that players succeeded without legendaries.

Thanks for reading and for any replies!

Asked by DeLana_997 years 6 months ago
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If your lineup was in that order, then my main problem is why did you put your strongest dragonite at the end. It is not going to be taken out, so you are wasting the full potential of it.

Try psycho cut on alakazam so you can dodge, and even zen headbutt with Espeon. You must dodge a few of those HS to survive given that it is harder to dodge (even though doing less damage than a resisted dynamic punch)

And I'm going to be a bit harsh on exeggutor, if it doesn't have legacy confusion it is not worth having on your team. The attack stat is already (in this context) quite low compared to the other options, and the whole point of extrasenaory is to charge up solar beam faster but solar beam is not the winning move in this matchup. I'd swap out the extrasenaory eggy with another Zam or espeon

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I agree with everything in this reply. Also, I believe your setup is strong enough for Machamp. Just some additional food for thought:

-with the same level and atk iv, dragonites with dt/hu have a higher kill speed then psychic exeggutors, which in turn produce slightly more damage against machamp than solarbeam ones. keep that in mind when lining your team up.

  • On that same note and as already suggested by LeCafe, always put your mons with the highest kill speed first. if one of these mons has not fainted at the end of the fight, this means you had a lower kill speed than possible.
  • Despite what the websites say, I for one always prefer fast quick moves in my glass cannons. Confusion hits hard, but I for one hardly ever manage to dodge when using this quick move. Given that glass cannons have the highest kill speed, the longer they stay in the fight, the better - strategic dodging of charge moves is key. So especially on Alakazam I consider confusion a no-no in a Machamp raid, and all the more so given that psycut produces considerably higher eps.
  • Last but not least, you chose the most difficult Machamp charge move. Your psychic attackers may not be able to show their full potential in this setup, especially if the quick move was bullet punch to boot.
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Thanks, great advice. I don't know what his quick move was, and was not happy he had heavy slam, but since I don't come across many Machamp raids I decided to try anyway.

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You should absolutely be dodging, if it'll allow you to fire off another charge move. You'll also need to dodge if all 6 pokemon are at risk of being knocked out. I think that team can do it. Also, use pokebox.

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Pokebox is the function on pokebattler: get a account. put in your Pokémons and it can sort your Pokémon after time to win.

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4 Esp/Ala (with FS) + 1 Dnite/Hu + 1 Lugia and then you’ll be fine. No dodging needed.

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Don't have any legendaries... anything else I could use? My first attempt was 3 Espeon, 1 Zam and 2 D'nite... all fainted.

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That's a good line up. You gotta dodge a couple charge moves. I try to get 3 futuresight off each esp and ala. 2 is fine but 3 is what I aim for. I use psycho cut on alakazam. Way better to dodge with and faster energy gain. You make up the damage lost from confusion from doing more futuresight by dodging and more energy gain, which means more total damage. I would use alakazam first then espeon then dragonite. This way you will use 5 pokemons or 6th one comes in for just a couple fast moves. Hope this helps.

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Imo You don't need zams and Lugias. Zam helps alot but is by no means a must.

Check pokebattler and sort by "time to win"a raid is 178 seconds. Any Pokémon that has a time to win below 178 is your go to. The lower time to win the better.

This number is somewhat optimistic imo. This is due to the first Pokémon in you line up does lower the the time to win, lagg etc. But you get the idea if the DPS is high enough.

I prefer dodging specialPRO+relastic dodging: fire CMs as fast as you can and trying to dodge with realistic chance. In some cases though no dodging at all is more effective.

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The time on the phone is probably off by a few seconds. That happens to me when I use "network time" so instead I use the app ClockSync to set it manually. Since then I consistently begin with 176-178 seconds left.
If you can bring more Espeons or Alakazams to the party that would help.
Restart the app before each try (don't know if this is necessary anymore, I had better success previously when I did this but that is some update ago).
Another thing that may help is to see if you can lower the resolution for the game, I use the Game Launcher or Game Tuner for this.
And also, learning to dodge - and when! - is essential.
Against a Counter/Heavy Slam I used 2Alakazam (PC/FS and C/DG), Espeon C/FS, 2Dragonite DT/H, all level 30. I had a Lugia at the last place but it never got any action. I succeeded on my third try with about 12 seconds left, the first two the boss had about 10% HP left. Dodging at the right times made the huge difference.

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Thanks! I did restart the phone each time, but was on network time.

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As others have said, your team looks quite good and more than sufficient on paper. I've been successful with Exeggutor before, but I've had more success without. If the Alakazam is at a comparable level, it will do better. Another thing to try against fighting moves is Gengar he deals neutral damage, but triple resists fighting moves and his attacks are quite powerful even without type advantage.

In general, with espeon/alakazam try to get off 2 futuresights each. This probably means dodging only 1 heavy slam each, but sometimes 2. Heavy slam is the hardest moveset to go against in my opinion. Keep at it! You can do it!

P.S. I'm sorry you don't have any legendaries. Hopefully something changes in the future that you can get them.

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Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I was wondering if I wasted time trying to dodge, but apparently not.

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by sinix 7 years 6 months ago

You should have 2-3 more glass cannon type attackers.

I use 2 espeons, 1 gengar and Alakazam backed up by an eggy and dragonite.

I'll typically leave gengar last and eggy 2nd to last. As I get closer to the end I start deciding how precise I want to be with dodging. Sometimes I might start eating charge moves if I want to let loose with quick moves and get more energy for a charge. Gengar in particular can tank at the end with extra fighting resistance.

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