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Which Vaporeon?

I have three Vaporeon that I am debating on powering up. I need a good water attacker and I know that Vaporeon can be a good generalist as well.

My candidates are:

1) 870 CP, Hydro Pump, 80%, 8/15/13 (A/D/S)
2) 1674 CP, Aqua Tail, 75.6%, 15/11/8 (A/D/S)
3) 1658 CP, Aqua Tail, 80%, 9/15/12 (A/D/S)

I'm leaning towards the Aqua Tail ones because they can be used as defenders as well and possibly powering the Hydro Pump one up just a little and using it as a prestiger.

I've played since a couple weeks after the game came out and these are the best Vaporeon with these move sets that I have gotten. I do have a 97.8 Water Pulse that I have maxed, but it's the worst attacking move and sub-par on defense. I have very bad luck on Eevees.

Asked by Elektron8 years 1 month ago
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If you like dodging AT is the best. And like you said you can also toss it in a gym.

I always used to go with the sheer power of HP and its not a bad option but we have so many Rhydons in gyms here I prefer AT. I can get off an AT in between Ryhdons attacks and not miss a dodge.

It allows me to easily go through multiple Rhydons with taking minimal damage. With HP you are going to take more damage and use more potions but it will go faster.

I think AT is very underrated for attacking, especially for people who dodge everything like myself.

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Ok so with AT you are right they are great defenders with high hp and cp but AT variants really lack in the ability to be a generalist... Because I use my HP variant at 2130 to take out blisseys as high as 2700 but there is only like 8-20 seconds left at the end but he can do it but the AT ones on the other hand can't so I would say do two to have a defender and an attacker.

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To be fair, Blissey has to be treated as an exception to the rule. Vaporeon with AT is an excellent generalist for people who like to dodge everything, and for that reason it is not so great against Blissey, given that the only reasonable Blissey strategy is to NOT dodge.

HP and AT each have their own uses, and AT is best as a budget generalist for those wishing to conserve potions and carry pokemon through long level 10 gym battles.

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I was just pointing out that a generalist should be able to trot through the meta and Vaporeon with WG/HP can excelling at poth Rhydon and Tyranitar. Also being good For Snorlax, Blissey. Now he is not that great for Gyarados, Vaporeon, or Dragonite but AT is even worse.

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Aqua tail has its merit in energy conservation. If you use a HP vaporeon on Rhydon all of that energy is going to waste because Rhydon won't get knocked out in one HP (by the time you charge up your second HP Rhydon will already faint). Aqua Tail is better for Rhydon.

For Tyranitar it's a different story because it takes two full Hydro Pumps to kill (no energy wasted) So Hydro Pump definitely better there.

For other types Hydro Pump is probably better, but for anything you cannot finish off cleanly without energy waste, Aqua tail is better.

The Blissey point is moot because Vaporeon is a very bad choice to begin with. But yes Snorlax will be done with Hydro Pump.

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I would have to Disagree! you just hurt my 2130 vaporeons feelings he has done wonderfull things for me both Attacking and Prestiging against Blissey... Say your sorry.

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That's great. I find that my Vaporeons just don't perform as well against Blissey as I would like.

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Same here I wish I had a B/HP but the not so random RNG gave me DT/CR but cant complain to much because right now he sitting in a gym going on about 19 hours now. Yay!

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I would not power up any of those...Just evolve ANY random high level Eevee and hope for a Vaporeon.

This depends on your gym area, but it'd be a waste of dust and candies to power up lower IV Vaps since Vaps are not really seen in gyms anymore in my area (unless the trainer is pushing 38+) and as an attacker, any high level Vap will do...HP or AT both work fine. I have an army of them, all not powered up.

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I do evolve every high level Eevee I get. Like I said, I have had terrible luck on them. These are the only ones I have gotten with AT and HP.

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I'm the same as you and it took me forever to use the name trick on a Vap, but I'd simply just wait...

Vaps aren't that'd great in terms of attack time (lower attack stat) so you can just use something else if need be.

I certainly wouldn't use dust/candies on those you have listed though...

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by cat 8 years 1 month ago

personally I would save your stardust none of those ivs are high enough for me.
If you are really desperate for a water attacker such as vap, just find the strongest eevee you can in the wild and evolve it until you get vap. You might waste some eevee candies but those aren't exactly hard to come by. this will keep you set for attacking for a while until you find ~the one~

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by SphiNx 8 years 1 month ago

I like aqua tale, it fits between rhydon quick attacks.
80% don't sounds like a viable defender, especially for vaporeon. And level is too low as well

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Wait for a 5k Eevee hatch that guarantees good IV and hope for your best for a HP Vaporeon.

They are a great investment and I have 5 at level 30.

HP ones wreck everything. My go to choice for any gym composition with Rhydon/Tyranitar.

AT ones are better for Rhydon but worse for Tyranitar.

Water Pulse ones...Rubbish compared to the other two...but I use them after my HP ones and AT ones faint.

Do you have an HP Gyarados though? That is very much a usable substitute.

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I hear you. It's hard because I hardly ever get Eevees in eggs anymore. When I first started, I couldn't keep from it.

I just got three pretty recently and ended up with Flareon, Jolteon, and another Water Pulse Vape. I just can't for the life of me get a high level Hydro Pump Vaporeon.

I do have a Bite HP Gyarados that I really like using, especially against Blissey. If it wasn't for that thing, I wouldn't have any good water attackers.

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as several above unless the
iv > 65 CP ~2500
iv > 80 CP > ~2000
iv > 90 CP > ~1500
iv > 95 CP > ~1000
iv 100% any Cp (98% maybe)
and aqua tail or hydropump

Delete all others

you'll eventually have a collection and wonder why you spent so much dust on stuff you'll eventually be throwing out

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If you're looking for an attacker, then either of the AT ones will do quite well. Ignore everyone saying the IVs are too low. I have a HP vape at level 30 with IVs below 80% and he does just fine. The one you have with HP is really low level and would probably require too much dust to be worthwhile.

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by format 8 years 1 month ago

i'm surprised these are your best vapes as they are pretty common - quite honestly i'd not level a single one (or even appraise any eevee below 700cp) and i suspect you've been wasting candy powering up when a decent or even not very good IV catch evolved would be better cp in the short term (attack or def).

of the 3 you mention keep #3 perhaps to level up but bear in mind what i say above, and #1 has the hallmarks of a good 1200cp prestiger but there is no way you want to go higher - i assume you are at least player lv.30 so bad luck or not focus your candy on evolving high level eevees before chasing top IV's/moves.

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When you say things are "pretty common," are you willing to consider high Eevee availability is not universal, or that RNG isn't always so kind to everybody who isn't you?

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I'm not dumb. I don't waste candy. I usually won't even keep anything under 82% IV's. The only Eeveelutions I have invested in are my FS OH Flareon, TS TB Jolteon, and 97.8% WP Vape. I'm really stingy with my dust and candy. I've got over 1700 Eevee candy that I haven't used.

I just wanted to hear some opinions on this because I really can't get a decent AT or HP Vape. I'm level 33, closing in on 34. I didn't think it would take me this long. I did have one HP Vape that I used early on, but eventually got rid of it because I didn't want to invest in it because it's IV's were in the 50's.

Thanks for the advice, though.

Edit: Thanks for understanding, Aqualad08

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sorry if i came off condescending, as that wasn't my intention, but i built up my vaperon army evolving my highest cp catches first and if they had poor IV's not bothering levelling them. if you have poor luck in this regard there is nowt to do but keep trying but i've quite happily put decent/not very good vapes in gyms as IMO they are the best non-psychic, non blissey/snorlax defenders due to huge weaknesses of the other "big 7". better to have several with usable CP now than one amazing one later.

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If you have enough candies to make #3 gym viable, go for it. Things depend on what your local gym scene is like, but I've hidden enough OK Vapes ahead of Blisseys to keep me in coin for a long while. I'd take #1 up to 1000 cp as a prestiger. If your main purpose is to get an attacker, keep evolving any higher IV, higher level Eevee you can until it falls into your lap.

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Thanks.

I'll use the HP for prestiging for now. Would #3 really be better than #2 even though it has higher IV's and defense stats? I was leaning towards #2 because of it's 15 attack stat so it would sit a little higher. Would it not really make much difference in the end? I have never really used the CP calculators to see what a Pokemon's max CP would end up as.

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The difference is nominal. Vapes rarely sit on top of gyms for my area, so i tend to just keep up with slightly above OK Blissey levels. If someone wants a Vape gone, it will be gone. Once the Blisseys start hitting 2700, it's tough to keep up candy-wise compared to my usual rate of finding Eevees to evolve. Attack is already Vape's strongest stat, so for a guy you also wanna use as an attacker, those high HP/Def stats will keep him in the ring longer. Like I said, I dunno what your local gym scene is like, but in mine 2500 Blisseys are common and tend to be enough of a deterrent to stagnate a gym for a few weeks. I need at least three Vapes to be sitting in gyms to get my 100 coins a day.

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