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machamp old moves vs close combat

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has anyone seen full cycle dps calcs for Karate chop/submission vs counter close combat.

K/chop has of course a lower dps but it's eps is very good

and submission is 120 for a full bar vs 100 damage for close combat.

dynamic punch is a no brainer i mean it does 180 damage per full bar and it looks like the execution time is virtually identical. But not all of us are getting lucky enough to get one.

(why niantic creates move sets were there is one move that is so clearly superior is beyond me)

Asked by Frostystuff7 years 11 months ago
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This table should be give you an idea on how good the new moves compared to the old ones.

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Counter makes the new move set noticeably better. These are the only two machops I've managed to get with double fight, and I never use my kc. You'll really like c/cc though, especially for tyranitar.

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I actually think that Counter is only slightly better than KC, which has much higher EPS. It is DP that drives the difference.

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ta on the surface it didn't look like that much of an improvement and machop are hard to come by for me but from that table it looks like it'll be worth some dust and candy (1/6 chance of getting better evolve, and 4/6 chance of doing worse)

thank you

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