Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Why is attack not figured into the DPS calculations?
I believe these DPS calculations are inaccurate. They should vary per Pokémon considering they all have different base attack values. For example, Butterfree and Venomoth both with bug bite would deal different damages for that move since Butterfree has a base damage of 144 compared to Venomoth's 172. This would probably affect EPS as well.
Also, since base attack is the minimum and can be up to +15 with individual values there would be a range of damages per Pokémon, per move. With your Pokémon's DPS falling somewhere in that range depending on the IV you have for attack.
Sorry for the long post.
Hey Hogan,
I believe because each Pokemon's stats vary, it's best to keep the numbers simplified so you can compare the moves and then compare the pokemon.
I also think we don't know the exact math to how attack and defense stats physically boost or reduce the damage. I would be interested in hearing more about that.
ACTUALLY.
you cannot expect the site to show you exact damage because there are too many variables that they have to know for the damage your Venomoth will do. they need things like
-the level of your venomoth
-IV of its ATK stat
_enemy pokemon (for base stat values)
- Enemy pokemon LVL
-IV's of opposing pokemon
and of course the move used.
You cannot expect them to know the damage, plus they havent figured out a calc for damage, or they have not shared it yet.
SO YES. your venomoth will do different damage than butterfree. it will do more damage (taking into account equal levels and equal IV) but the calcs arent up yet. Also You should know that Venomoths ATK stat is not Base Value, these two are different numbers but they do correlate. And IV is basically how well the Stat grew in regards to that base value. In fact a butterfree with good IVs can have better stats than a low iv Venomoth despite having lower base values. This is why you want a good IV pokemon. IV is not additive, it is more of a rate or multiplier and pokemon level is important too. Since Stats only grow when raising a level (or powering up)
ACTUALLY I can expect whatever I want, but that's besides the point. I never asked what exact damage my specific Pokémon would do against any and every enemy. That's ridiculous. I wasn't talking about other Pokémon IVs, stats, or levels. The attack stat shown is base value. It literally says "Base Attack" and is not the only site with that info.
My question was why is base attack not included in DPS calculations. As to show the base DPS of different Pokémon using the same moves. So when I see bug bite listed under Venomoth it seems to me it should be slightly higher DPS than the same move shown on the Butterfree page, due to the Base Attack difference. As it is now, they are two sperate things. I was wondering why they weren't considered together. Most likely because the attack stat affect on damage is not yet known.
As for the IV values I don't know if they are additive, multipliers, or anything else, but that doesn't change the base. It would only change the high end of a range of possible DPS's if one chose to try and show maximum potential along with the base.
SO YES. Even though you did not comprehend anything I said, I will expect whatever I like. Which is nothing you claimed. Starting a response like that makes you come off as very pompous.
The damage formula is close to being solved. The trouble with displaying any sort of dps is it would never reflect actual damage in the real world, unless you implement every variable: Pokemon level, Att, IV, type advantages, Power, etc. Not to say defender's stats and the rounding involved as well. Where do you stop?
Multiply in attack probably gets us closer, but in my personal opinion, you either keep it simple as is, or try to fully implement the damage formula somehow. Small steps just muddle the water.
You stop at the base. The minimum, standard amount of damage that would be done disregarding any resistances, super effective, or defenses. Of course, as with any game, the actual damage you would see dealt depends on many factors. That's not what I'm getting at.
I'm simply saying I think the fact that two separate Pokémon don't perform exactly the same with the same move should be acknowledged as a baseline. Back to my example, Bug Bite is 11.11 DPS. To factor in base attack to show something like Butterfree 11.67 DPS and Venomoth 12.07 DPS with Bug Bite due to their base attacks. So these would be BASE DPS values. No need to factor in IV, defenses, or resistances. That was never part of the question.
I mentioned IVs in my original post but that was only to acknowledge that I know there's more involved. I get IV values and level are not consistent for everyone, but base values are. Only showing the baseline would be better, and I agree simple is better. They could also show a best possible for max IVs and levels if they wanted, then you would know you fall somewhere inbetween.
