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New gym stacking idea

Instead of gym placement based on CP only, I propose the following:

For the first 3 mons, the first one in gym will reside on the top followed by 2nd and 3rd regardless of CP. Reason behind this is because a player gives zero effort to place the 2nd and 3rd mons into the gym. Once a gym is taken down, presumably by the 1st mon's player, the 2nd and 3rd mons placed in requires zero battle majority (99%) of the time. Yes, you might run into your team's gym that hasnt been completely taken down but that's not that common. 1st player's mon get the top spot (out of the first 3) for his/her effort in taking the gym down.

Starting with the 4th mon, it is placed on top of the other 3. This is because this mon's player had to prestige 2,000 points to raise it enough to place his/her mon into the gym. Then 5th mon, 6th mon until the 10th. The last mon in requires the most effort to prestige it up to 50,000 so it deserves the top spot. So it ends up being a the more effort you put into prestiging a gym, the higher your mon will be placed.

You might say this will make players not wanting to be the one taking down the gym since his/her gym placement will be low. I don't agree. If a player wants to collect coins, he or she WILL have to place his/her mon into a gym. So regardless of position, if you wanna get coins, you have to have a mon in the gym.

So I think my idea makes it fair to all players regardless of player level and pokemons' level. So even if you are level 20, if you put in the effort to prestige a gym to 50,000, you get the right to have your mon on the top.

This way, gyms will be stacked with a variety of mons based on their types with some strategy being built in. For example, if the 4th mon is Gyarados, then the next player will actually think about how to counter attackers and possible put a fire type such as Arcanine to counter the grass type that'll be used to fight Gyarados. Then the 5th player will put a grass type such as Exeggutor to counter the water type that'll be used to fight Arcanine. And so on.

This will force players to select a variety of attackers to counter and anti-counter the mons in the gym. And yes, some people might say just use 6 Dragonites. If that's what you like to attack with, so be it. I personally prefer picking attack mons based on gym defenders types instead of using 6 Dragonites ALL THE TIME.

What do you guys think? Any comments welcome.

Asked by PokeAMon8 years 1 month ago

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Beating an opposite team Level 10 gym takes roughly 1 hour while prestiging a gym from Level 9 to 10 takes roughly 15 minutes. So I don't think Level 9 prestige should have more value.

Also trainers will just put a caterpie or a pigey on the last spot knowing that they will alway be last. do you think caterpie or pigey deserves to be king on top of all the blissey, dragonite, snorlax, vaporeon? your ideas are terrible but thanks for trying

There is also an issue in my area where people will knock down Level 10 gym to 49,000 prestige and then prestige back up to 50,000 prestige and add there own pokemon. They definitely don't deserve last spot.

Also higher level players put an effort to level up they deserve to have a higher spot otherwise nobody will want to Level up. Do you agree that Level 5 trainers will be king by putting a caterpie?

How do they lower the prestige of their own teams gym then prestige it back up to add your own? Am I misunderstanding your comment?

creating & using an apposite team account.

Also, I usually prestige up a gym after placing a Pokemon in it (if the gym is not level 10, of course) in order to help build it, by allowing other players to get in without their doing anything. So I should be getting a higher spot than the ones who get in due to my prestiging. OP's proposal will greatly dissuade me (and the many other prestigers who take similar action) from doing this

Hi Simon, good point. But I would argue that most players are not as nice as you so they only prestige enough for their own mons to get in then they leave.

So let's change level 4-10 mon placement to be based on the amount of prestige you contribute to the gym. Easily solved.

Taking down an opposing lv 10 gym isn't nice enough?

I do like you thinking outside of the box though OP even if there are some serious concerns with this proposal.

First of all, thanks for the feedback. But I don't think you really think it through before declaring my idea "terrible".

I don't agree that prestiging from 9 to 10 only takes 15 mins. You are assuming everyone knows how to prestige perfectly and have the perfect mons to do so. Not likely always the case.
Why would you assume everyone will put a Caterpie or Pidgey on the top? You contradicted yourself by mentioning shaving. Since shaving is such a big deal and happens frequently, I wouldn't put a Caterpie or Pidgey on the top. With shaving, it'll fall to 9 to 8 to 7... So if I want to keep my gym strong, I will still put a good mon in it.
I didn't think of the idea with cheaters in mind. Thanks for pointing shaving out. So let's make a change. If a player didn't prestige the normal amount to claim the top spot per your example (only 1,000), then that player's mon would get placed at the 4th spot and bump everyone else up. Because the minimum to prestige from 3 to 4 takes 2,000 points.
I don't think you really gave much thought when you made the last comment. For a level 5 player, can you imagine how many revives, potions that player requires to actually prestige a level 9 gym up to 50,000? Also, if you are an active player, how can you not level up? Spinning a Pokestop gives you XP. You need potions, revives to battle gyms. Catching a Pokémon gives you XP. Unless you spoof and use a tracker, how can you only catch high IV mons and ignore others. So you will keep catching which gives you XP. Hatching an egg gives you XP. Battling gyms give you XP. You CANNOT not level up if you play actively. What about candies? Your mons are not gonna magically level up without you catching more of the same mons. And again, catching mons will give you XP.

Plus, majority of people will agree that getting to level 30 doesn't requires THAT MUCH effort. And most people don't actively seek to level up much after they hit it.

Yes the number I gave you is upper end trainers. But did you think how long a Level 20 trainer will beat a Level 10 gym down to 0? definitely much longer than prestiging from 9 to 10. I end my case
I would personally put a caterpie the points is the option is there and its available
you are making the it more complicated just to accommodated cheaters
Your right, But how about people with multiple accounts. they can use there Level 30 to prestige and use there Level 5 account to put a catarpie?

A much easier solution is that you cannot have more than one of each Pokemon in a gym. So no more 5xBlissey+5xSnorlax gyms.

Why shouldn't we be allowed to place more than one of the same Pokemon in a gym? There can be good tactical reasons for doing this; good tactics should not be supplanted for diversity. There should be no artificial limitations to smart thinking. Furthermore, if, say, someone puts a Snorlax with an absurdly low CP into a gym, it seems dumb to prevent another player with a much better Snorlax from placing it in the same gym.

They use can a different pokemon with much higher cp

1 is a bit extreme but I think 2 or 3 of the same pokemon per gym is a reasonable idea.

I like the idea of just plain ol' critter level (not sure about the 2nd variable... probably first in goes above last in if the levels are equal). This would be similar to what we have now but I think we'd see way more variation in the gyms

I'm not a fan of the level over CP thing. I really think it will then just be lv30 Pidgeys from lv 15 players which is even stupider than what we have now.

Maybe a complex equation of level/CP/defense stats or something is the answer.

But under no circumstances should a lv 30 Caterpie be treated the same as a lv 30 Snorlax that's just ridiculous.

Sorry. Level up and get higher CP.

I hate to be harsh, but that's what all the people who are like "CP" sucks needs to do.

Reality is Stronger Stat Pokemon are stronger stat pokemon.

The only realistic thing that Ninatic can do about placement is add a modifier to each pokemon and each moveset individually. This would be say "Defensive Power" which would equal CP +/- up to 400.

But guess what, Vaperon's will still be dominent because they are dominent stat pokemon with good stab moves.

Sure if you do this Vaperon will be higher than the Double Weakness group (Rhydon/Dragonite/Gyrados) but all that will do is make the Gyms more filled with Vaperon than they are now.

Besides, so what if there are no Gold Ducks in Gyms. All they are are weaker vaperons anyway.